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Republicans have been portraying President Clinton as a Vietnam War draft dodger who is now trying to use his position as commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States to delay a sexual harassment suit against him until he leaves office. In this May 28, 1996 legal brief to the U.S. Supreme Court, the president claims that he is not seeking protection under the 1940 Soldiers and Sailors Civil Relief Act, which protects active-duty military personnel from having to defend themselves in civil suits.


May 28, 1996 
 
No. 95-1853 
 
IN THE 
 
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES 
 
October Term 1995 
 
WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, 
 
Petitioner, 
 
vs. 
 
PAULA CORBIN JONES, 
 
Respondent. 
 
On Petition For A Writ of Certiorari 
To The United States Court of Appeals 
For The Eighth Circuit 
 
REPLY BRIEF FOR THE PETITIONER 
 
Robert S. Bennett 
Counsel of Record 
Carl S. Rauh 
Alan Kriegel 
Amy R. Sabrin 
Stephen P. Vaughn 
SKADDEN, ARPS, SLATE, 
MEAGHER & FLOM 
1440 New York Avenue, N.W. 
Washington, D.C. 20005 
(202) 371-7000 
 
Of Counsel: 
 
David A. Strause 
Geoffrey R. Stone 
1111 East 60th Street 
Chicago, Illinois 60637 
(312) 702-9601 
 
Attorneys for the Petitioner 
President William Jefferson Clinton 
 
TABLE OF CONTENTS 
 
TABLE OF AUTHORITIES 
 
REPLY BRIEF FOR THE PETITIONER 
 
 
TABLE OF AUTHORITIES 
 
Cases 
 
Bivens v. Six Unknown Named Agents, 403 U.S. 388 (1971) ... 3  
 
Franklin v. Massachusetts, 505 U.S. 788 (1992) ... 9  
 
National Treasury Employees Union v. Nixon, 492 F.2d 587 (D.C. 
Cir. 1973) ... 9  
 
Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 731 (1982) ... passim  
 
United States v. McDougal, No. LR-CR-95-173 (E.D. Ark. Mar. 
20, 1996) ... 6  
 
United States v. Nixon, 418 U.S. 683 (1974) ... 7, 9  
 
United States v. North, 713 F. Supp. 1448 (D.D.C. 1989) aff'd 910 
F. 2d 843 (D.C. Cir. 1990), cert denied, 500 U.S. 941 (1991 ... 6  
 
United States v. Poindexter, 732 F. Supp. 142 (D.D.C. 1990) ... 6  
 
Statutes 
 
Soldiers' and Sailors' Civil Relief Act of 1940, 50 U.S.C. app. 
Sections 501-525 (1988 & Supp. V 1993) ... 8  
 
Other Materials 
 
Brief for Respondent A. Ernest Fitzgerald, Nos. 78-1783 and 80- 
945 (Sup. Ct. filed Oct. 29, 1981) ... 8  
 
REPLY BRIEF FOR THE PETITIONER 
 
The President's submission is straightforward: No President has 
ever before been compelled to submit to a civil damages action, 
directed personally against him, during his term in office. A 
decision with such serious ramifications for the Presidency and the 
nation should not be allowed to stand without this Court first 
considering the President's contention, founded on both the Court's 
decisions and statements by the Framers, that such lawsuits must in 
all but the most exceptional cases be deferred until the President 
leaves office.  
 
Respondent does not -- indeed, cannot -- identify a single instance 
in which a court has compelled an incumbent President to defend a 
damages action directed at him personally. Nor does respondent 
explain why a fragmented panel of the court of appeals, rather than 
this Court, should decide the extraordinarily important 
constitutional question of whether a President may be compelled to 
do so. Instead, respondent's principal contentions are (i) that this is 
a "one-of-a-kind case" that can be litigated without interfering with 
the President's conduct of his office (Br. in Op. 8); (ii) that 
separation of powers principles permit a trial judge to require, 
review an sometimes reject -- specific showings by the President 
that a matter of state is sufficiently significant to justify altering the 
litigation schedule (Br. in Op. 12-14); (iii) that Nixon v. Fitzgerald, 
by providing Presidents with absolute immunity from liability for 
conduct within the "outer perimeter" of official duties, somehow 
precludes deferral of this litigation (Br. in Op. 16-18); and (iv) that 
this nation's historic traditions pose no bar to subjecting an 
incumbent President to civil damages litigation (Br. in Op. 19-20). 
Respondent is wrong at each turn.  
 
1. This case is evidence, if any is needed, of the wisdom of the 
Court's observation in Nixon v. Fitzgerald that "the sheer 
prominence of the President's office" makes him "an easily 
identifiable target for suits for civil damages." 457 U.S. 731, 752-
53 (1982).  Respondent's brief in opposition characterizes this 
lawsuit as a "very simple dispute about what happened in a very 
short encounter between two people in a room," and one in which 
"[d]iscovery and trial... will not be burdensome."  Br. in Op. at 10.  
The record, however, reveals that respondent's attorneys in fact 
intend to use this case as a vehicle for a far-reaching inquiry:  
 
We'll be able to ask the President certain pertinent questions.... 
Was this a pattern of conduct that involved the use of police for 
private functions that would not be... part of their duty?  Are there 
other women involved? Who are they?... [A]ll is on the table in the 
discovery deposition, including evidence that can lead to 
admissible evidence.  So it's a pretty wide-ranging effort....  
 
C.A. App. 122-23 (Tr. of ABC's Nightline (Dec. 28, 1994)). 
Respondent's counsel also stated that they will "exhaustively 
pursue" this line of inquiry with other witnesses, and may seek to 
compel an unprecedented physical examination of the President.  
C.A. App. 117-18 (Tr. of CNN's Daybreak (Dec. 29, 1994)).  
 
Respondent, in other words, envisions litigation that not only 
threatens the President with $700,000 in damages and seeks to 
impugn his reputation, but that is specifically calculated to 
entangle him in the "discovery deposition" process.  In addition, 
the district court found that discovery could not be conducted on 
even the claims against the President's co-defendant "without the 
heavy involvement of the President through his attorneys."  Pet. 
App. 76.  The inevitable consequence of such purportedly 
"uncomplicated" litigation (Br. in Op. i) will be substantially to 
divert the President from his Article II responsibilities.  
 
It takes but a single lawsuit of this kind, in Fitzgerald's words, to 
"distract a President from his public duties, to the detriment of not 
only the President... but also the Nation that the Presidency was 
designed to serve."  457 U.S. at 753.  That danger is especially 
great in the modern setting, where wide-ranging discovery is 
permitted and instantaneous, nationwide publicity is routinely used 
as a tool by litigants.  
 
Moreover, the dangers of abuse of litigation against an incumbent 
President are not limited to a single case. Respondent reiterates the 
panel majority's conception that "the universe of potential 
plaintiffs" who might sue an incumbent President -- for reasons of 
partisanship, extortion, or publicity-seeking -- is "small[]."  Br. in 
Op. at 11 (quoting Pet. App. 15).  But no person becomes President 
without having been highly prominent for an extended period in 
the public or private sector.  If the Court allows this case to 
proceed, it is difficult to believe that other potential litigants, 
encouraged by the spectacle, will not come forward in this of 
future Administrations, to use a lawsuit to distract, harass or obtain 
personal information about a President by "alleging unwitnessed 
one-on-one encounters that are extremely difficult to dispose of by 
way of pretrial motion."  Pet. App. 27 (Ross, J. dissenting).  
 
Respondent asserts that there is not extensive history of litigation 
against a sitting President being used for this purpose.  Br. in Op. 
at 11.  But there was no history of Presidents being sued for 
official acts before Nixon v. Fitzgerald.  See 457 U.S. at 753 
n.33[FN1].  The Court nonetheless granted certiorari in Fitzgerald, 
and afforded President Nixon an absolute immunity -- a much 
broader protection than is sought here -- because it recognized the 
danger that opportunistic litigation presents to the office of the 
Presidency.  457 U.S. at 753.  The risk of opportunistic litigation is 
no less in a case of this kind than it was in Fitzgerald, and this 
Court's review is no less warranted here.  
 
2.a. Respondent embraces the panel majority's view that the risk 
such litigation poses to the Presidency can be managed by allowing 
trial judges to exercise discretion over the scheduling of litigation.  
We explained in the petition why this supposed cure is worse than 
the disease: it will precipitate repeated confrontations between the 
President and federal or state trial courts, as those courts pass 
judgment on a President's requests that the litigation schedule be 
modified because of the demands of his office.  As Judge Ross 
asked below (Pet. App. 29):  
 
Is it appropriate for a court to decide, upon the President's motion, 
whether the nation's interest in the unfettered performance of a 
presidential duty is sufficiently weighty to delay trial proceedings?  
Once a conflict arises between the court and the President as to the 
gravity of an intrusion on presidential duties, does a court have the 
authority to ignore the President's request to delay proceedings?... 
[C]an a court dictate a President's activities as they relate to 
national and international interests of the United States without 
creating a separation of powers conflict?  
 
The brief in opposition seeks to create the impression that trial 
judges will be highly deferential to the demands of the Presidency.  
It repeatedly quotes Judge Beam's formulation, according to which 
a trial judge may "reschedul[e] any proposed action by any party at 
any time should she find that the duties of the presidency are even 
slightly imperiled."  Pet. App. 25, quoted in Br. in Op. 8, 12.  But 
that is not the standard established by the prevailing opinion 
below, which stated that the President could obtain relief from a 
trial judge only if he could show that a specific aspect of the 
proceedings "interfer[ed] with specific, particularized, clearly 
articulated presidential duties."  Pet. App. 16.  
 
Moreover, under either standard, once trial judges are vested with 
discretion, they inevitably will exercise it in different -- and 
sometimes highly intrusive -- ways.  While some may be 
deferential to the President, others surely will not be.  And the 
affront to the separation of powers inheres in the very fact that a 
trial judge is empowered to review the President's official 
responsibilities to determine whether he should instead devote his 
attention to a private civil action.  
 
One need look no further than this case to see the pitfalls in 
authorizing courts to review such matters. Here, the district court 
made a specific case-management determination, based on the 
particular facts of this case, that the trial should be stayed until the 
President leaves office.  Pet. App. 70-71.  The panel majority, 
notwithstanding its purported reliance on the discretion of trial 
judges, promptly reversed the stay as an abuse of discretion, 
without even explaining why the district court's evaluation of the 
facts was mistaken.  Pet. App. 13 n.9.  
 
This clash between the district court and the court of appeals -- and 
the disagreement within the court of appeals even as to the 
appropriate legal standard -- is symptomatic.  It shows that the 
separation of powers cannot reliably be protected by requiring the 
President to make ad hoc showings about how specific aspects of 
the litigation will affect his ability to carry out his official duties. It 
also underscores the need for this Court to review this important 
issue.  
 
b. In arguing that courts can oversee Presidential involvement in 
civil damages litigation, respondent, like the panel majority, relies 
heavily on the handful of cases in which Presidents have testified 
as third-party witnesses in criminal proceedings.  Br. in Op. 12-13.  
The lesson of those cases, however, is the opposite of what 
respondent suggests: they show how difficult it is for courts to 
reconcile the demands of the judicial process with the 
responsibilities of the executive branch.  
 
A President who testifies as a witness is involved in a one-time 
encounter with the judiciary. By contrast, a defendant faced with 
personal liability will be involved in every phase of the litigation. 
The opportunities for tension and conflict between the President 
and the courts thus increase exponentially. Moreover, a President 
who is a third-party witness ordinarily faces little risk to his 
reputation or financial well-being. When a President is a defendant 
in a damages action, the stakes are incalculably greater. The 
burdens and distractions that ensue inevitably will be far more 
intrusive than when the President is a witness.  
 
Nonetheless, even in the far less burdensome context of third- 
party testimony by Presidents, the experience has been that the 
process of accommodation is painstaking [2] and should be 
undertaken only in cases of compelling need. [3] Even when the 
President is just a witness, the principle of separation of powers is 
strained to the limit. The course respondent suggests -- giving a 
trial court the power to manage the President's priorities to 
accommodate personal damages litigation -- pushes the separation 
of powers past the breaking point.  
 
Finally, even in cases where only testimony or evidence has been 
sought from a President, this Court repeatedly has drawn a clear 
line between criminal proceedings -- where a compelling public 
interest is involved -- and civil damages proceedings. See Nixon v. 
Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 754 & n.37; United States v. Nixon, 418 
U.S. 683, 712 n.19 (1974). The fact that Presidents on occasion 
appear as witnesses in criminal proceedings, therefore, does not 
support the conclusion that a President is required to participate in 
a private civil damages action in any capacity -- and certainly not 
as a defendant.  
 
3.a. The brief in opposition attempts to create the impression that 
the President seeks to be held absolutely immune from liability for 
actions he took while he was not President. The President seeks no 
such thing, and respondent's elaborate arguments against that 
proposition (Br. in Op. i, 9, 15-18, 20- 22) are simply a determined 
effort to confuse the issue. Rather, throughout this case, the 
President has asserted that the responsibilities of the Presidency 
warrant a stay of litigation until he leaves office. He does not seek 
to extinguish the respondent's rights to pursue her claims, does not 
seek to evade accountability, and remains subject to the risk of 
damages.  
 
And while respondent, like the panel majority, engages in 
overblown rhetoric to the effect that the President is seeking to 
place himself "above the law" and that the relief he seeks is 
"unprecedented," even respondent is forced to concede the validity 
of the underlying principle for which we contend. She 
acknowledges that the President is not like any other litigant, and 
that the courts must show "defense" and must accommodate the 
President's unique responsibilities. Br. in Op. 12-14.  
 
b. Respondent and the panel majority suggest that Fitzgerald 
affirmative rejected the President's position here. Pet. App. 8- 9, 
10-11; Br. in Op., at 16, 23. This suggestion is, to say the least, 
odd: in Fitzgerald, even the plaintiff, although seeking to hold 
then-former President Nixon liable in damages, conceded in his 
brief that litigation against a sitting President could be stayed [4] -- 
reflecting the universal understanding, until this case, that a 
President cannot be subjected to personal damages litigation during 
his term of office. The issue in Fitzgerald was whether a President 
enjoys absolute immunity from liability for all his official acts. The 
Court decided that the President, alone among all public officials, 
is entitled to this exceptional protection. That conclusion is fully 
consistent with our view that a President who is sued for acts 
outside the scope of his office is entitled to the much more limited 
relief of temporary insulation from litigation. Indeed, as we 
showed in the petition, a crucial aspect of the Court's reasoning in 
Fitzgerald was that personal damages litigation can divert a 
President from his official duties. [5]  
 
Respondent (Br. in Op. 9, 16) makes much of Chief Justice 
Burger's statement in Fitzgerald that "[t]he doctrine of absolute 
immunity does not extend beyond [official] actions," -- a statement 
with which we of course agree. 457 U.S. at 761 n.4. (Burger, C.J., 
concurring); see also id. at 759. Respondent does not mention that 
Chief Justice Burger also said that "[t]he need to defend damages 
suits would have the serious effect of diverting the attention of a 
President from his executive duties," and cautioned that "litigation 
processes . . . can be and are used as mechanisms of extortion." Id. 
at 763.  
 
4. Respondent asserts (Br. in Op. 19-20) that President Jefferson 
"lost" his argument that subjecting Presidents to a Court's 
jurisdiction undermines the separation of powers. In fact, our 
history -- beginning at least with President Jefferson and extending 
through the Burr cases, the Fitzgerald case, and United States v. 
Nixon and its progeny -- teaches that subjecting a sitting President 
personally to the process of the courts is something that should be 
done only in cases of imperative need, and then only to the most 
limited extent possible. See Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 753-54. [6]  
 
No court has ever, until now, required a sitting President to defend 
a civil damages action directed at him personally. In fact, no court 
has ever required a President to testify in a civil case as a witness. 
What respondent seeks -- allowing a sitting President to be sued for 
damages in his personal capacity -- would be an intrusion far 
beyond anything that has ever before been allowed, or even 
contemplated. To permit such an intrusion, without even so much 
as this Court's review, is utterly unwarranted.  
 
For these reasons and the reasons stated in the petition, the petition 
for a write of certiorari should be granted.  
 
Respectfully submitted, 
 
Robert S. Bennett 
Counsel of Record 
 
Carl S. Aruba 
Alan Kriegel 
Amy R. Sabrin 
Stephen P. Vaughn 
SKADDEN, ARPS, SLATE, MEAGHER & FLOM 
1440 New York Avenue, N.W. 
Washington, D.C. 200005 
(202) 371-7000 
 
Of Counsel: David A. Strauss 
Geoffrey R. Stone 
1111 East 60th Street 
Chicago, Illinois 60637 
(312) 702-9601 
 
Attorneys for the Petitioner 
President William Jefferson Clinton 
May 28, 1996 
 
 
 
 
 
ENDNOTES 
 
[1] The Court in Fitzgerald attributed this to the fact that Bivens v. 
Six Unknown Named Agents, 403 U.S. 388 (1971), which 
permitted damages actions against federal officials for violation of 
the Constitution, was of relatively recent vintage.  But common 
law tort actions had long been available against federal officials, as 
justice Harlan noted in Bivens.  See 403 U.S. at 400 n.3, 409 
(Harlan, J. concurring).  The more likely explanation for the 
absence of suits against the President is that -- as we showed in the 
petition -- it was universally understood that the President could 
not be sued for damages while in office. See Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. 
at 758.  
 
[2] See, e.g., United States v. Poindexter, 732 F.Supp. 142, 148- 
50, 155-59 (D.D.C. 1990) (court limited defendant to written 
interrogatories and videotaped deposition, and reviewed questions 
to be asked in advance); United States v. McDougal, No. LR-CR-
95- 173 (E.D. Ark., Mar. 29, 1996) (permitting presidential 
testimony only by way of videotaped deposition conducted at the 
White House, supervised by the trial court via videoconferencing 
to avoid abuses, after which only directly relevant portions would 
be shown at trial).  
 
[3]  See, e.g., Poindexter, 732 F.Supp. at 147 (President would be 
compelled to provide testimony for criminal trial only if court is 
"satisfied that his testimony would be material as tested by a 
meticulous standard, as well as being necessary in the sense of 
being a more logical and more persuasive source of evidence than 
alternatives that might be suggested") (footnote omitted); United 
States v. North, 713 F. Supp. 1448, 1449 (D.D.C. 1989) 
(compelled testimony of former President in a criminal proceeding 
must be justified by a "sufficient showing . . . that the . . . 
President's testimony is essential to assure the defendant a fair 
trial"), aff'd, 910 F.2d 843 (D.C. Cir. 1990), cert. denied, 500 U.S. 
941 (1991).  
 
[4] Brief for Respondent A. Ernest Fitzgerald, Nos. 78-1783 and 
80-945 (Sup. Ct. filed Oct. 29, 1981) at 28.  
 
[5] The respondent suggests that the President is entitled to the 
relief sought here only if provided for in an act of Congress. Br. in 
Op. 11. We disagree. The relief sought here is required by the 
singular nature of the President's constitutional duties, and by 
principles of separation of powers. Fitzgerald, 457 U.S. at 749. The 
President does not rely on, or claim any relief under, the Solders' 
and Sailors' Civil Relief Act of 1940 (50 U.S.C. Sections 501-525 
(1988 & Supp. Y 1993)), or any other legislation.  
 
[6] In the face of this Court's demonstration in Fitzgerald that the 
Framers contemplated that Presidents would not be subject to suits 
while in office (457 U.S. at 751 n.31), respondent cites four cases. 
Br. in Op. 20. Three involve the entirely different question of 
whether a President can be required to be a witness in a criminal 
proceeding. See supra, p. 6-7. The fourth, National Treasury 
Employees Union v. Nixon, 492 F.2d 587 (D.C. Cir. 1973) (en 
banc) ("NTEU"), is inapposite and of questionable vitality, and in 
any event supports our position. In NTEU, the President was sued 
for injunctive relief in his official capacity, and was not required to 
defend the litigation personally. The court of appeals stated that it 
had the authority to mandamus President Nixon to perform a 
ministerial duty, but refrained from exercising that authority "in 
order to show the utmost respect to the office . . . and to avoid, if at 
all possible . . . any clash between the judicial and executive 
branches." the court proceeded by way of declaratory judgment 
instead. 492 F.2d at 616. Contrary to respondent's suggestion, 
NTEU demonstrates that courts go to great lengths to avoid 
entangling the President in their jurisdiction. Moreover, even the 
viability of the opinion expressed in NTEU -- that a President 
could be enjoined -- is in doubt, in view of the more recent 
discussion of that issue in Franklin v. Massachusetts, 505 U.S. 788 
(1992). See id., 505 U.S. at 802-03 (plurality opinion of O'Connor, 
J.) (citing Mississippi v. Johnson, 71 U.S. (4 Wall.) 475, 498-99 
(1867)); id. at 826 (Scalia, J., concurring).  

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