Before he was called as a key witness in the Markhasev trial, former Markhasev acquaintance Chris So provided a California grand jury with a description of the events leading up to Ennis Cosby's death. He described to grand jurors the actions of a man known to him as "the Russian" -- who told friend Michael Chang, "I shot a nigger. It's all over the news."

So also told the jurors how Chang allegedly responded to Markhasev, saying, "Cosby," and how Markhasev wouldn't deny that Cosby was the one he shot.

The following is an unedited transcript and may include typographical or transmission errors.

THE FOREPERSON: MISS INGALLS?

MS. INGALLS: YES. I WOULD CALL CHRIS SO.

THE FOREPERSON: PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU ARE ABOUT TO GIVE IN THE MATTER NOW PENDING BEFORE THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES SHALL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.

THE WITNESS: I DO.

THE FOREPERSON: PLEASE TAKE A SEAT. STATE AND SPELL YOUR FULL NAME. NAME YOUNG, Y-0-U-N-G, LAST NAME SO, S-0.

THE FOREPERSON: MISS INGALLS?

CHAN YOUNG SO, CALLED AS A WITNESS BEFORE THE LOS ANGELES COUNTY GRAND JURY WAS DULY SWORN AND TESTIFIED AS FOLLOWS:

Q.MR. SO, YOU ARE A FRIEND OF MICHAEL CHANG?

A. YES.

Q.AT SOME POINT IN JANUARY DID YOU BECOME AWARE OF ENNIS COSBY BEING KILLED?

A. YES.

Q.YOU BECAME AWARE OF IT THROUGH THE NEWS?

A. YES.

Q.AT SOME TIME AFTER YOU BECAME AWARE OF ENNIS COSBY BEING KILLED, DID YOU HAVE AN OCCASION TO GO WITH MICHAEL CHANG SOMEWHERE UP INTO THE VALLEY AREA OF L.A.?

A. YES.

Q. HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT, THAT YOU WENT WITH MICHAEL CHANG TO DO THAT?

A. HE CALLED ME THE NIGHT BEFORE AND HE SAYS THAT HE NEEDS A RIDE TO GO SEE A FRIEND.

Q. IN RELATION TO WHEN ENNIS COSBY WAS KILLED, HOW LONG AFTER THIS DID THIS OCCUR?

A. I THINK IT WAS ABOUT A WEEK AFTER; 5, 6 DAYS. 

A. I KNOW THAT IT WAS DURING THE WEEK, EITHER TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY, BUT I CAN'T BE SURE. I KNOW IT WAS AFTER.

Q. SO MICHAEL CHANG CALLED YOU THE NIGHT BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY CAME UP TO THE VALLEY?

A. RIGHT.

Q.WHAT DID HE ASK YOU TO DO, IF ANYTHING?

A. HE SAYS, "I'M GOING TO GO SEE A FRIEND. WE ARE GOING TO GO PICK UP A PIECE."

Q.WHAT DOES "PIECE" MEAN TO YOU?

A. A GUN.

Q.A GUN?

A. A GUN.

Q.WHAT DID HE ASK YOU TO DO THEN?

A. HE SAID, "I DON'T HAVE A CAR. I JUST NEED YOU TO GIVE ME 4@,RIDE TO GO SEE THE FRIEND."

Q. DO YOU KNOW WHO "THE FRIEND" WAS HE WAS REFERRING TO?' A. I THINK IN A BRIEF CONVERSATION WE MENTIONED THAT HE WAS A FRIEND THAT HE MET AT Y.A.

Q.DID HE SAY WHAT THE GUN HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN? A. NO.

Q. WHAT DID YOU TELL MR. CHANG THAT YOU WOULD DO THEN? A. I TOLD HIM, I SAID, "HEY, IF YOU NEED A RIDE, I WILL GIVE YOU A RIDE. SO I'LL JUST PICK YOU UP AT 10:00 O'CLOCK TOMORROW MORNING."

A. YES, I DID.

Q.WHERE DID YOU HAVE TO GO TO PICK UP YOUR FRIEND? JUST GIVE US AN AREA.

A. SAN FERNANDO VALLEY.

Q.SO MICHAEL CHANG LIVED IN THE SAN FERNANDO VALLEY?

A.NO. MICHAEL LIVED IN ORANGE COUNTY, GARDEN GROVE.

Q.THE AREA YOU LIVED IN?

A. L.A.

Q.SO YOU WENT DOWN TO --

A. ORANGE COUNTY.

Q. WHY DON'T YOU LET ME FINISH THE QUESTION, THEN YOU CAN ANSWER. OKAY? YOU CAME FROM THE L.A. AREA AND WENT DOWN TO GARDEN GROVE TO PICK UP MICHAEL CHANG?

A. YES.

Q. THEN AFTER YOU PICKED UP MICHAEL CHANG, YOU CAME BACK UP TO THE VALLEY AREA. IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YES.

Q.SO APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME DID YOU ARRIVE IN THE VALLEY AREA?

A. I WOULD SAY IT WAS AROUND 11, 11ISH.

Q. DID YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS GUN AT THAT ...

A. I HAD KNOWLEDGE THAT THEY -- WE WERE PICKING UP A GUN, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF GUN WE WERE PICKING UP.

Q.WHY WERE YOU PICKING UP THE GUN?

A. MICHAEL WANTED IT AND, YOU KNOW, IF HE WANTS IT, I MEAN IT'S ON HIM.

Q. WHEN YOU SAY, "IT'S ON HIM," WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?

A. I CAN'T REALLY CONTROL, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY TO DO SOMETHING OR NOT TO DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE THERE SO THAT HE DOESN'T GET IN ANY TROUBLE BECAUSE I AM OLDER THAN HIM.

Q. SO YOU PERCEIVE YOURSELF AS BEING, WHAT, IN RELATION TO MICHAEL CHANG?

A. A LOT OF TIMES I TRY TO BE A GOOD BIG BROTHER, BUT SOMETIMES.I YOU KNOW --

Q. DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT MICHAEL CHANG WAS GOING TO DO WI!'TH THE GUN? A. NO.

Q. DID HE TELL YOU WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO WITH THE GUN? A. NO.

Q. YOU KNEW THAT MICHAEL HAD BEEN IN TROUBLE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT AND WAS ON PROBATION AT THE TIME?

A. YES.

Q. AND CERTAINLY THIS COULD BE A VIOLATION OF HIS PROBATION, TO HAVE A GUN. 

A. YES.

Q. KNOWING THAT, YOU STILL WENT AHEAD AND DID THIS; RIGHT?

A. HE WANTED TO GO, I'LL TAKE HIM.

Q. SO YOU GOT UP TO THE VALLEY AREA APPROXIMATELY WHAT TIME?

A. AROUND 11ISH.

Q.IN THE MORNING?

A. YEAH.

Q.AND WHERE DID YOU GO THEN?

A. WE WENT TO A.M./P.M. STORE ON THE CORNER OF LAUREL CANYON AND MAGNOLIA.

Q.WHY DID YOU GO THERE?

A. THAT'S WHERE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO MEET HIM. THE ARRANGEMENT, AS YOU UNDERSTOOD IT, MADE BETWEEN CHANG AND HIS FRIEND?

A. RIGHT.

Q. NOW, HIS FRIEND, DID YOU EVER LEARN HIS NAME THAT DAY? 'A. HE DIDN'T TELL ME HIS NAME WHEN I PICKED HIM UP, BUT I KNEW HE WAS A FRIEND FROM Y.A. AND I KNEW HE WAS RUSSIAN.

Q. SO GENERALLY YOU REFERRED TO HIM AS THE RUSSIAN? A. YES.

Q. WHEN YOU GOT TO THE A.M./P.M. MINI MART, WHAT ID YOU DO?

A. WE PARKED THE CAR AND HE ONE OF THE PHONE BOOTHS OVER THERE.

Q.WHEN YOU SAY, "HE," WHO ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

A. MICHAEL.

Q.MICHAEL CHANG; RIGHT?

A. MICHAEL CHANG.

Q.THEN WHAT HAPPENED?

A. WE WENT IN, BOUGHT A SODA AND PACK OF CIGARETTES AND WE WAITED APPROXIMATELY 5 OR 10 MINUTES.

Q.WHAT HAPPENED THEN?

A.I SAW THE RUSSIAN GUY WALKING. HE POINTED HIM OUT TO ME. HE SAID, "THAT'S HIM OVER THERE."

Q.YOU HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT EXHIBIT 6 UP THERE PREVIOUSLY, HAVEN'T YOU?

A.YES. TH@ PERSON THAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO AS THE RUSSIAN, DO YOU SEE HIS PHOTOGRAPH ON EXHIBIT 6?

A. YES. Q.WHERE DO YOU SEE HIS PHOTOGRAPH?

A. -C. Q.SO THE PHOTOGRAPH LABELED -C ON 6 IS THE RUSSIAN, AS YOU CALL HIM?

A. YES.

Q. DO YOU SEE THE RUSSIAN IN THE PHOTOGRAPH THAT HAS THE SIX INDIVIDUALS IN IT, PHOTOGRAPH -B? DO YOU NEED TO LOOK AT IT?

A. YEAH.  3 HAVE A SEAT. DO YOU SEE THE RUSSIAN IN THE LINEUP OF SIX LS IN THE PHOTOGRAPH -B?

A. YES.

Q.WHICH NUMBER WAS HE?

A. NO. 5. SO THE RUSSIAN THEN SHOWED UP AT THE A.M./P.M. MINI MART?

A. YES.

Q.WHAT HAPPENED THEN?

A. HE CAME UP, MIKE INTRODUCED US -- I CAN'T REMEMBER WHETHER HE INTRODUCED ME. I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS NAME.

Q.WHAT HAPPENED THEN?

A. HE STARTED TALKING -- WELL, THE RUSSIAN GUY DID MOST OF THE TALKING. HE WAS VERY NERVOUS. HE WAS JUMPY. HE TOLD US THAT HE WAS PARTYING ALL NIGHT; THAT HE DIDN'T EVEN DRINK BEER BUT HE HAD A COUPLE BEERS. HE SAID, "WE HAVE JUST GOT TO TAKE A RIDE JUST OWN THE STREET." Q-AND YOU HAD NEVER MET THIS PERSON BEFORE

A. NO.

Q.-- "THE RUSSIAN." YOU SAID, "HE WAS JUMPY." DID HE SEEM JUMPY AS BEING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF SOME KIND OF NARCOTICS OR JUST NATURAL JUMPINESS?  WELL, HE DID TELL ME THAT HE WAS PARTYING ALL 0 -- WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU WHEN SOMEONE SAYS THEY ARE PARTYING ALL NIGHT?

A. HE SAID -- I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS EITHER ON SPEED -- BUT LATER ON HE MENTIONED THAT HE WAS SMOKING ROCK.

Q. SO HAVE YOU SEEN OTHER PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SMOKING ROCK AND HOW THEY ACT AFTER SMOKING ROCK?

A. NOT REALLY, NO.

Q. SO YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TELL REALLY IF HIS JUMPINESS WAS A RESULT OF BEING JUMPY OR NERVOUS ABOUT SOMETHING OR THE EFFECT OF THE ROCK ON HIM?

A. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION?

Q. SURE. YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO TELL IF HE WAS JUMPY AS THE RESULT. OF THE COCAINE OR IF IT'S THE RESULT OF BEING NERVOUS ABOUT EVENTS IN HIS LIFE?- .A.I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. ALL I KNOW, HE WAS VERY NERVOUS AND JUMPY.

Q.WHEN HE GOT INTO YOUR CAR, DID HE TALK ABOUT WHERE YOU GUYS WERE GOING TO GO OR WHERE YOU NEEDED TO GO?

A. HE DIDN'T TELL ME SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE WERE GOING. HE WAS JUST GIVING ME DIRECTIONS AS I WAS GOING. HE TOLD ME JUST GO AHEAD AND MAKE A LEFT TURN ON MAGNOLIA. WE HEADED WESTBOUND.

Q.THEN WHERE DID YOU GO?  4 APARTMENT BUILDING, WHICH WAS ON THE CORNER OF WHITSETT, I BELIEVE, AND MAGNOLIA ON THE NORTH SIDE. HE SAID, "WE JUST MOVED INTO THIS NEW APARTMENT OVER HERE WITH MY MOM. WE ONLY JUST MOVED IN THERE A COUPLE DAYS AGO." THEN HE SAYS, "JUST GO DOWN TO LAUREL CANYON AND MAKE A LEFT TURN

Q.DID YOU DO THAT? A. YES.

Q. AT THAT POINT WHAT DID YOU THINK YOU WERE DOING? A. I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST GOING TO SOMEBODY'S HOUSE.

Q.TO DO WHAT?

A. TO GO PICK UP THE GUN.

Q.IDID YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF GUN IT WAS?

A. AT-THAT PARTICULAR MOMENT?

Q. IN THE CAR, YES, WHILE YOU GUYS WERE IN THE CAR.A. WHEN WE WERE APPROACHING THE LOCATION, I THINK THAT HE MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A .38 CALIBER.

Q.DID YOU ASK HIM ABOUT THE GUN AT ALL?

A. NO.

Q. SO AT SOME POINT DID YOU GET TO A SPECIFIC LOCATION AND HE TOLD YOU TO STOP?

A. YES.

Q.DO YOU RECALL WHERE THAT WAS THEN?  4 ON LAUREL CANYON PAST THE 101 FREEWAY ON THE SOUTHBOUND -- ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE YOU COULD SEE THE WASH. I THINK IT'S THE L.A. RIVER BED THAT RUNS THROUGH. IT'S A CEMENTED WASH. WE MADE A RIGHT TURN INTO ONE OF THE STREETS WHICH HAS THE WASH ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS ON THE LEFT.

Q.IS THAT LAUREL CANYON OR COLDWATER CANYON?

A. OH, COLDWATER CANYON. I'M SORRY.

Q.DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO EXHIBIT NO. 7. YOU HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THOSE SIX PHOTOGRAPHS. IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YES.

Q.DO.YOU RECOGNIZE WHAT IS IN THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS?

A.

Q.IN PHOTOGRAPH -A, WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT? .A. I HAVE TO GO LOOK. I CAN'T SEE.

Q. IF YOU ARE GOING TO SPEAK FROM THERE, MR. SO, CAN YOU GRAB THE HAND-HELD MICROPHONE THAT'S RIGHT THERE.

A. OKAY. THE PICTURE -A IS THE APPROXIMATE AREA THAT I PARKED, BECAUSE YOU CAN SEE IT'S MARKED BY THE PORT-A-POTTY.

Q. WHY DON'T YOU GO AHEAD AND PUT A CIRCLE AROUND THAT. CIRCLED A PORT-A-POTTY IN PHOTO -A.

Q.IS THAT CORRECT, MR. SO?,

A. YES.

Q.AND THE PORT-A-POTTY INDICATES WHAT?

A. IT WAS JUST LIKE A LITTLE GUIDE THAT TELLS US THAT'S THE AREA, BECAUSE I REMEMBER I PARKED MY CAR RIGHT AROUND HERE.

MS. INGALLS: INDICATING THE CAR THAT IS IN THE FOREGROUND OF THE PICTURE.

Q.IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YEAH. I THINK -- I'M NOT QUITE SURE EXACTLY WHERE, BUT I KNOW IT WAS NOT THAT FAR A DISTANCE THAT I PARKED FROM THAT PORT-A-POTTY, BECAUSE THERE IS A LITTLE ENTRANCE RIGHT IN HERE AND THIS IS WHERE MICHAEL AND THE RUSSIAN GUY WENT IN THROUGH THE BUSHES.

Q. WHEN YOU SAY, "AN ENTRANCE," CAN YOU PUT AN FIX" OVER THAT ENTRANCE.

A. (WITNESS COMPLIES.)

MS. INGALLS: HE HAS DONE SO ON PHOTO -A ON EXHIBIT 7.

Q.SO THEY ENTERED THROUGH WHERE THE "XI' WAS. IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YES.

Q.AND DID YOU SEE WHERE THEY WENT AT THAT POINT? CAN YOU SEE FROM THE PHOTOS?

A. I KNOW THAT THEY PROCEEDED TO GO DOWN INTO T  IN BETWEEN THERE WAS SOME LITTLE -- THERE'S A LITTLE MORE BUSHES THERE, BUT YOU COULD SEE INTO THEM AS THEY WERE WALKING BACK AND FORTH.

Q.DIRECTING YOUR ATTENTION TO PHOTO -B. DOES THAT SHOW THE RIVER BED OR THE WASH, AS SOME PEOPLE CALL IT?

A. THIS IS THE WASH DOWN HERE. I REMEMBER IT BECAUSE WE MADE A RIGHT TURN COMING INTO THIS AREA.

Q.CAN YOU PUT AN ARROW POINTING TOWARD WHERE THE WASH IS. THANK YOU. HE'S DONE SO ON PHOTO -B ON EXHIBIT 7. THEN IN PHOTO -C, CAN YOU TELL Us WHAT IS THAT SHOWING OR CAN YOU --

A. THE WASH IS ON THE OTHER SIDE, SO THESE ARE THE BUSHES, BUT @AN'T QUITE MAKE IT OUT. I KNOW THIS IS PART OF THE STREET THAT WE WENT IN, BUT I CAN'T RECALL.

Q.ALL RIGHT. WHY DON'T YOU HAVE A SEAT. NOW, THE PERSON THAT IS SHOWN IN PHOTOS -C AND -E AND -F, YOU RECOGNIZE HIM, DON'T YOU, AND -D, AS WELL?

A. YES.

Q.THAT'S DETECTIVE HENRY. IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YES. WITH DETECTIVE HENRY. IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YES.

Q. DID YOU TAKE HIM OUT TO WHERE YOU BELIEVED THEY HAD GONE TO TO LOOK FOR THE GUN?

A. YES. AND IT'S IN THAT AREA THAT YOU TOOK HIM TO. IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YES.

Q.NOW, YOU DIDN'T GET OUT OF THE CAR?

A. NO.

Q.HOW COME?

A. I DON'T KNOW. I JUST STAYED IN THE CAR.

Q. DID YOU KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO GO LOOK IN THE BUSHES FOR A GUN?

A. I..THINK WHEN WE PARKED AND I THINK THERE WAS A CONVERSATION,WHERE HE SAYS -- HE SAID HE THREW THE GUN. HE SAID, "THE GUN IS IN THE BUSHES INSIDE OF A CAP. DID HE SAY, "CAP" OR DID HE USE ANOTHER WORD LIKE "BEANIE" OR 'rHAT"-.>

A. I THINK HE SAID, "BEANIE."

Q. DID HE ASK CHANG TO GET OUT OF THE CAR? DID THEY AGREE TO DO THIS? HOW DID THAT COME ABOUT?

A. I THINK THEY JUST BOTH GOT OUT @F THE CAR AND I JUST STAYED IN. ANY WAY OR ACT AS LOOKOUT?

A. NO.

Q. AT THIS POINT, DID YOU HAVE ANY IDEA THAT THE GUN HAD BEEN INVOLVED IN SOME KIND OF CRIME?

A. NO.

Q. HOW LONG WERE THE RUSSIAN AND CHANG OUT OF THE CAR?

A. I WOULD SAY AROUND 5 MINUTES.

Q.THERE IN THAT GENERAL AREA?

A. YES.

Q.DID THEY RETURN TO THEIR CAR?

A. THEY RETURNED TO THE CAR, YES.

Q. WHILE THEY WERE OUT OF THE CAR, YOU OBSERVED THEM DOING WHAT IN THAT BUSHY AREA?

A. I COULD SEE PARTIALLY FROM TIME TO TIME WHEN THEY WERE BE I TWEEN THE BUSHES THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE GUN.

Q. WERE THEY LOOKING ON THE GROUND OR LOOKING ABOVE.GROUND?

A. THEY WERE LOOKING ON THE GROUND.

Q. DID YOU HEAR ANY KIND OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN MR. CHANG AND THE PERSON REFERRED TO AS "THE RUSSIAN" AS THEY WERE COMING BACK TO THE CAR?

A. THE RUSSIAN GUY WAS TALKING A LOT. HE WAS DOING ALMOST ALL -- MOST OF THE TALKING AT THAT POINT. I HEARD HIM SAY, "I SHOT" --

Q.YOU HAVE TO USE THE EXACT WORDS. OVER THE NEWS." I THINK MICHAEL SAID SOMETHING ABOUT, "YOU ME COSBY?" THAT'S THE WORDS THAT I PICKED UP, THAT I REMEMBER. AND HE SAID IT KIND OF LOUD. THEN THEY BOTH WERE PRETTY QUIET. THEY WERE STANDING IN FRONT OF MY CAR AND THEY WERE CONVERSING FOR ANOTHER 3 OR 4 MINUTES.

Q. SO YOU HEARD THE RUSSIAN SAY, "I SHOT A NIGGER, YOU WILL HEAR ABOUT IT ON THE NEWS" OR "YOU HAVE HEARD IT"

A. "IT'S ALL OVER THE NEWS."

Q."IT'S ALL OVER THE NEWS."

Q. AND AT THAT POINT YOUR FRIEND MICHAEL CHANG SAYS WHAT? A. I THINK HE SAID, "YOU MEAN THE COSBY" -- "COSBY" IS THE ONLY THING I CAN REMEMBER HIM YELLING OUT.

Q. WAS HE YELLING IT, IN YOUR MIND, OUT OF DISBELIEF OR LIKE TOTAL SURPRISE?

A. DISBELIEF.

Q. DID YOU HEAR THE RUSSIAN SAY ANYTHING IN RESPONSE TO CHANG SAYING, "YOU SHOT THE COSBY KID" OR WHATEVER HE SAID?

A. NO.

Q. DID YOU HEAR ANY MORE OF THEIR CONVERSATION AT THAT POINT?

A. WELL, WE WERE TALKING WHILE WE WERE INSIDE THE  STAY LOW. I HAVE GOT TO GO ON HIDING FOR QUITE A BIT.11 HE ALSO SAID -- HE WAS NONSTOP TALKING ALL THE WAY THROUGH, AND HE SAID, "WELL, SINCE WE CAN'T FIND THE GUN, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK AND LOOK FOR IT AGAIN LATER." HE SAYS, 'I HAVE ANOTHER GUN. MY GIRLFRIEND HAS IT. IT'S A MACK-11. I HAVE JUST GOT TO CLEAN IT UP. IF YOU GUYS WANT IT, YOU CAN HAVE IT."

Q.DID YOU WANT A GUN?

A. NO.

Q. SO DID HE SAY, "YOU GUYS" REFERRING TO BOTH YOU AND CHANG?

A. I GUESS, BECAUSE WE WERE BOTH IN THE CAR.

Q. WHAT DID MR. CHANG SAY IN RESPONSE TO THE OFFER TO GET A MACK-11?

A. HE SAID, "NO, FORGET IT."

Q. AT -THAT POINT DID YOU GO SOMEWHERE?

A. WE PROCEED TO TAKE THE RUSSIAN GUY BACK TO HIS HOUSE., AND HE WAS TALKING TO US ABOUT COMING OVER AND HAVING RUSSIAN FOOD WITH HIM. HE SAID, "YOU GUYS WANT TO GO GRAB SOME BEER AND STUFF," BUT BY THAT TIME WE JUST WANTED TO GO.

Q.DID THE RUSSIAN GUY HAVE ANY KIND OF ACCENT?

A. NO.

Q.SO THE REASON YOU REFERRED TO HIM AS A RUSSIAN GUY IS WHAT? FOR WHAT REASON DO YOU REFER TO HIM AS THE

A. BECAUSE I WAS TOLD THAT HE WAS RUSSIAN, SO --

Q.DID HE HAVE ANY KIND OF ACCENT? I MEAN, DID HE HAVE ANY KIND OF CHOLO TYPE LANGUAGE ABOUT HIM?

A. THEY HAD A LOT OF STREET TALK. THEY WERE LIKE CALLING EACH OTHER "DOGS," WHICH IS,,I GUESS, "BUDDY" OR "FRIEND," THE TYPICAL LINGO THAT THEY USE WHEN THEY TALK, YOU KNOW.

Q.DID YOU DROP THE RUSSIAN OFF?

A. YES, ACROSS THE STREET FROM HIS APARTMENT BUILDING.

Q. WHERE WAS THAT IN RELATION TO THIS PLACE WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING FOR THE GUN? A. APPROXIMATELY A MILE AND A HALF OR 2 MILES AWAY.

Q. A-FTER YOU DROPPED THE RUSSIAN OFF, DID YOU SPEAK WITH MICHAEL CHANG?

A. HE AND I WERE TALKING, YES. .Q. AS A RESULT OF THAT CONVERSATION, WITHOUT TELLING ME WHAT THE CONVERSATION WAS, DID YOU FORM SOMETHING IN YOUR MIND ABOUT THE RUSSIAN AND THIS GUN? DO YOU UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION?

A. I BELIEVED BY THAT TIME THE GUN WAS PROBABLY USED IN THE SHOOTING, IN THE KILLING. I WAS REALLY IN DISBELIEF. I SAID -- I COULDN'T BELIEVE IT. I SAID, "IT'S CRAZY." I COULDN'T THINK OF ANYBODY WHO WOULD COME OUT AND

Q. SO IN YOUR MIND THE COMPOSITE WAS A DEAD RINGER FOR THE RUSSIAN?

A. I WOULD SAY IT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

Q.YOU DID NOT CALL THE COPS AT THAT POINT?

A. NO.

Q.WHY WAS THAT?

A. I DON'T PARTICU LY LIKE COPS AND CALLING THEM. I ALSO HAVE A WARRANT.

Q.AND THE WARRANT IS FOR WHAT?

A. PROBATION VIOLATION WHILE I WAS INCARCERATED DOWN IN ORANGE COUNTY. I JUST CAME OUT OF JAIL ON THE 13TH OF JANUARY, SO SPENDING 6 MONTHS IN JAIL, I HAD PRETTY MUCH HAD IT WITH DEALING WITH POLICE OFFICERS.

Q.AND YOU HAD BEEN CONVICTED OF A FELONY, OR YOU HAD BEEN CONVI(FTED OF A CRIME?

A. YES.

Q. YOU HAD BEEN CONVICTED OF WHAT CRIME?

A. IN 1995 I WAS CONVICTED OF A FELONY EMBEZZLEMENT.

Q.THEN THE MOST RECENT ONE?

A. I WAS CONVICTED OF AN ASSAULT ON DOMESTIC.

Q.DOES PENAL CODE 273.5 RING A BELL?

A. YES.

Q.THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE CONVICTED OF?

A. YES. ENQUIRER." IS THAT CORRECT?

A. I BELIEVE IT WAS A DAY AFTER OR TWO. I CAN'T RECALL THE EXACT DATE.

Q. A DAY OR TWO AFTER THE COMPOSITE CAME ON THE NEWS?

A. I THINK THE COMPOSITE AND THE DAY WE WENT TO LOOK FOR THE GUN, I THINK IT WAS THE SAME DAY.

Q.AND WHY DID YOU CALL THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER",>

A. OBVIOUSLY I SAW ON THE NEWS THAT THERE WAS THE REWARD BEING AWARDED. THE SECOND THING I WAS CURIOUS TO FIND OUT, SINCE I HAD SOME INFORMATION AS FAR AS THE GUN THAT WAS USED, I WANTED TO ASK HIM -- I CAN'T CALL THE POLICE BECAUSE THE N I WOULD HAVE TO GIVE THEM MY NAME AND THEY WILL PROBABL,Y,.TRACE ME BACK, SO I WAS AFRAID OF THAT. WANTED TO ASK THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" IF THE .38 WAS USED IN THE KILLING.

Q. SO YOU CALLED THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" AND DID WHAT?

A. I TOLD THEM THAT I MIGHT HAVE SOME INFORMATION REGARDING THE COSBY KILLING, BUT BEFORE I GIVE OUT ANY INFORMATION I WANTED TO FIND OUT IF A .38 SPECIAL WAS USED IN THE KILLING.

Q.WERE THEY ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT OR GIVE YOU ANY INFORMATION ABOUT THE TYPE OF GUN USED?

A. THEY SAID THEY WERE GOING TO GET IN TOUCH WITH I TOLD THEM, YOU KNOW, NOT TO GET ME INVOLVED YET, BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I ACCUSE ANYBODY OR GIVE OUT THE EVIDENCE. SO I TOLD THEM WHERE THE GUN WAS LOCATED. I KNEW THE AREA. I SPOKE WITH A GENTLEMAN A COUPLE TIMES. HE PAGED ME BACK AND FORTH. HE SAID THAT HE WASN'T ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION. I TOLD HIM, I SAID, "I'LL TALK TO YOU ONCE YOU ARE SURE THAT IT WAS THE GUN THAT WAS USED." I LEFT IT AT THAT AND I DIDN'T HEAR FROM HIM FOR ABOUT A MONTH.

Q.WHEN YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T HEAR FROM THEM, YOU MEAN THE"NATIONAL ENQUIRER"'.

A. YEAH. THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" NEVER CALLED ME BACK FOR ABOUT A MONTH.

Q. HOW MUCH WAS THE REWARD THAT THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER" WAS OFFERING?

A. $100,000.

Q. THAT WAS MOTIVATING YOU IN PART OR IN WHOLE TO MAKE THESE CALLS?

A. YES.

Q. AT SOME POINT THEN YOU ARE CONTACTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT?

A. APPARENTLY, FROM WHAT I HEARD

Q.I DON'T WANT YOU TO TELL HOW IT HAPPENED. YOU WERE CONTACTED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT?

Q. AT THAT POINT YOU TOLD THEM WHAT YOU KNEW AND TOOK THEM TO THE LOCATION WHERE YOU FELT THE GUN MIGHT HAVE BEEN LOCATED?

A. YES. MS.INGALLS: I HAVE NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THE FOREPERSON: IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE GRAND JURY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE WRITE THEM ON A PIECE OF PAPER. THEY WILL BE PICKED UP BY THE SERGEANT-AT-ARMS. (SHORT PAUSE.)

Q. BY MS. INGALLS: MR. SO, BY "BIG BROTHER," DO YOU MEAN THE ORGANIZATION OR MORE OF A RELATIONSHIP? HOW YOU WOULD CHARACTERIZE YOUR RELATIONSHIP?

A. IN OUR CULTURE, ANYBODY WHO IS OLDER IS CALLED A BIG BROTHER.

Q. BEFORE THIS DAY THAT YOU WENT TO THAT AREA SHOWN IN EXHIBIT 7, HAD YOU EVER MET THE RUSSIAN BEFORE?

A. NO.

Q. THE RUSSIAN, YOU HAVE LATER COME TO REALIZE, IS NAMED MICHAEL MARKHASEV?

A. YES.

Q. WHEN DID IT FIRST COME TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT A .38 WAS INVOLVED IN THE KILLING?

A. CAN YOU REPEAT THAT QUESTION?

Q. AT SOME POINT YOU REALIZED THAT A .38 WAS  IS THAT CORRECT?

A. YES.

Q.AND WHEN DID YOU FIRST REALIZE THAT?

A. I THINK IT'S AFTER I HAD THE CONVERSATION THAT HE SHOT A NIGGER.

Q. so YOU PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER; THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A GUN, THE GUN WAS A .38, SO HE MUST HAVE USED A .38?

A. AND THE GUN WAS INSIDE THE BEANIE AND IT WAS HIDDEN.

Q. SO IT WASN'T AT SOME POINT MARKHASEV SAYS TO YOU, "YEAH, I USED THE .38". HE DOESN'T SAY THAT TO YOU, DOES HE?

A. NO, BUT I THINK --

Q. WITHOUT TELLING US WHAT HE MIGHT HAVE TOLD CHANG.

A. OH, OKAY.

Q.DO YOU KNOW IF MR. MARKHASEV HAD A CAR?

A. HE DIDN'T HAVE A CAR.

Q. DID MR. MARKHASEV EVER SPEAK ABOUT SOMEBODY ELSE BEING INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTING?

A. THAT I DON'T KNOW.

Q.SO HE DIDN'T MENTION ANY NAMES OR INDICATE THAT HE WAS WITH ANYBODY ELSE, WHETHER THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE SHOOTING OR NOT?

A. THAT I DON'T KNOW.

Q. DO YOU RECALL WHERE THE A.M./P.M. STORE IS THAT YOU MET MR. MARKHASEV? MAGNOLIA.

Q. WHEN MR. MARKHASEV MET YOU, WAS HE ON FOOT OR IN A CAR?

A. HE WAS ON FOOT.

Q. DID YOU EVER HEAR MR. MARKHASEV SAY, "YES, I KILLED ENNIS COSBY?"

A. NO.

Q. SO YOU HEARD HIM SAY, "I SHOT A NIGGER. IT'S ALL OVER THE NEWS," AT WHICH TIME CHANG SAYS --

A. "COSBY."

Q. "COSBY"? OR WAS IT "COSBY" AND YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING AFTER THAT? AND YOU DON'T HEAR ANY DENIAL FROM THE RUSSIAN, MR. MARKHASEV?

A. NO.

Q. DID YOU MAKE ANY ATTEMPT TO TRY TO TALK MR. CHANG OUT OF GOING TO PICK UP A GUN?

A. NO.

Q. AND CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, YOU BEING A BIG BROTHER, IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA FOR SOMEBODY TO HAVE A GUN? WHY DIDN'T YOU TRY TO TALK HIM OUT OF IT?

A. HE'S 18. HE'S OLD ENOUGH. I HOPE THAT HE MAKES THE RIGHT DECISION. I DON'T KNOW.

Q.DO YOU RECALL WHETHER MR. MARKHASEV HAD A BEARD?

A. IF I RECALL, HE WAS PRETTY CLEAN SHAVEN.

Q. WAS HE WEARING ANY KIND OF BEANIE OR HAT THE DAY THAT YOU SAW HIM?

A. No.

Q.SO HE WASN'T WEARING A HAT?

A. NO. HE WAS WEARING A HOODED JACKET, BUT HE WASN'T WEARING A HAT.

MS. INGALLS: ALL RIGHT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THE FOREPERSON: BEFORE YOU LEAVE, PLEASE LISTEN CAREFULLY TO WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY: YOU ARE ADMONISHED NOT TO REVEAL TO ANY OTHER PERSON, EXCEPT AS ORDERED BY THE COURT, WHAT QUESTIONS WERE ASKED OF YOU AND WHAT RESPONSES WERE GIVEN. IN ADDITION, YOU ARE NOT TO REVEAL ANY OTHER MATTERS CONCERNING THE NATURE OR SUBJECT OF THE INVESTIGATIO@ 'WHICH YOU LEARNED DURING YOUR APPEARANCE HERE, UNLESS AND UNTIL SUCH TIME AS A TRANSCRIPT OF THESE PROCEEDINGS IS MADE PUBLIC. I WISH TO ADVISE YOU ALSO THAT A VIOLATION OF THIS ORDER CAN BE THE BASIS OF A CONTEMPT CHARGE AGAINST YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?

THE WITNESS: YES.

THE FOREPERSON: THANK YOU. YOU ARE EXCUSED.