The Oklahoma City Bombing Trial Transcripts
Terry Nichols

Wednesday, December 17, 1997 (morning)

              IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                 FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLORADO
 
Criminal Action No. 96-CR-68
 
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
 
    Plaintiff,
 
vs.
 
TERRY LYNN NICHOLS,
 
    Defendant.
 
 
                     REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT
                 (Trial to Jury:  Volume 131)

Proceedings before the HONORABLE RICHARD P. MATSCH,
Judge, United States District Court for the District of
Colorado, commencing at 9:43 a.m., on the 17th day of December,
1997, in Courtroom C-204, United States Courthouse, Denver,
Colorado.

 Proceeding Recorded by Mechanical Stenography, Transcription
  Produced via Computer by Paul Zuckerman, 1929 Stout Street,
    P.O. Box 3563, Denver, Colorado, 80294, (303) 629-9285
                          APPEARANCES
         LARRY MACKEY and BETH WILKINSON, Special Attorneys to
the U.S. Attorney General, 1961 Stout Street, Suite 1200,
Denver, Colorado, 80294, appearing for the plaintiff.
         MICHAEL TIGAR, RONALD WOODS, ADAM THURSCHWELL, REID
NEUREITER, and JANE TIGAR, Attorneys at Law, 1120 Lincoln
Street, Suite 1308, Denver, Colorado, 80203, appearing for
Defendant Nichols.
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                          PROCEEDINGS
    (In open court at 9:43 a.m.)
         THE COURT:  Be seated, please.
         I received a communication from the jury at 9:23, and
I have here for you copies of that communication for each side
plus a proposed response to part of it.
         Mr. Tigar?
         MR. TIGAR:  Your Honor, may I speak from here?
         THE COURT:  Sure.
         MR. TIGAR:  We have no objection to the proposed
response.
         With respect to the jurors' second request --
         THE COURT:  Well, I'll get to that in just a second.
         MR. TIGAR:  Oh, all right.
         MR. MACKEY:  We have no objection to the proposed
answer.
         THE COURT:  All right.  We'll put that on letterhead
and give it to them in writing.
         I checked to see what would be available quickly for
the list.  And I'm told -- if you approach, I'll show you what
they tell me the computer can do.  And that's an alpha list,
which seems to me to be the best because that's neutral, but
take off the names of the questioning lawyers.  And that first
part is simply obviously not relevant, but I believe that we
can get the names of all witnesses this way, have it in an
alpha order, and submit it to them.
         MR. TIGAR:  We would -- we would even say that the
date and time called might help the jurors to remember who that
was.
         MR. MACKEY:  That's fine with us, Judge.
         MR. WOODS:  Do you want to have it in the order they
appeared so they can remember it better?
         MR. TIGAR:  They can do that from this.
         THE COURT:  Well, I -- maybe the reporter can do it in
the order -- the chronological order.
         MR. TIGAR:  May we have just a moment to confer, your
Honor?
         THE COURT:  Is that is right?
         THE REPORTER:  Yes, your Honor.
         MR. TIGAR:  Your Honor, we would propose to re-sort in
the order in which they appeared.  We assume that a sort can be
done on date and time.
         MR. MACKEY:  Fine with us, Judge.
         THE COURT:  Do you want the date and time?
         MR. TIGAR:  Yes, your Honor.
         MR. MACKEY:  That's fine.
         THE COURT:  We'll try to get that done, and I will
simply add to my response "A witness list will be provided."
         MR. TIGAR:  Yes, your Honor.
         THE COURT:  Agreed?
         MR. MACKEY:  Yes, your Honor.
         THE COURT:  Okay.
         I'm not -- I'm not going to make public the
communications to the jury at this time -- or from the jury.
         Court is in recess.
    (Recess at 9:43 a.m.)
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                    REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE
    I certify that the foregoing is a correct transcript from
the record of proceedings in the above-entitled matter.  Dated
at Denver, Colorado, this 17th day of December, 1997.

                                 _______________________________
                                         Paul Zuckerman