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Court TV Host: Our guest, Crystol Williams, alternate juror in the Cody Posey trial, is here with us now.
Crystol Williams: Hello.
Court TV Host: Thank you so much, Ms. Williams, for being our guest online.
Crystol Williams: No problem.
Court TV Host: You were just on Court TV...anything you didn't get a chance to say that you'd like to talk about now, before we take questions?
Crystol Williams: Nothing comes to mind.
Question from Alison: Crystol Williams, thanks so much for your time it's a rare treat to get to "talk" to a juror who is so fresh from a case.
Crystol Williams: Mixed emotions on not being able to deliberate.
Question from JERRY: Crystol: Hi thanks for chatting with us. Do you believe that Cody was abused exactly as the defense presented it or was there exaggeration and embellishment?
Crystol Williams: I think, as presented, there were enough witnesses to corroborate what was presented. Don't think there was any exaggeration or embellishments from him. I think he was coached in what to present, from him, but I think it was backed up by other witnesses.
Question from jason: I bet its hard to deal with, huh?
Crystol Williams: I felt the weight of the deliberation process in deciding this young man's life, so it's a relief to not have to worry about that but I would have liked to be a part of the deliberation process.
Question from awakening2lite: What was your impression of the closing arguments?
Crystol Williams: It brought to the forefront the key issues the state wanted to bring up. I think the defense's statement really hit home. As to previous question of embellishment, the state really tried to hype up their bits and pieces. For example, here's this knife-wielding kid, pot-smoker, I felt the state hyped it up more than the defense tried to embellish it
Question from Luv2Laff: Hello, Crystol. Now that you are able to read news about the trial, does it change your opinions of the trial at all?
Crystol Williams: I've been able to talk to some of witnesses, family members, watched Court TV. I think there's more depth to the life Cody led than what we were presented in court, that would have led to a stronger reaction for the jury.
Question from lULU: What did you think about Cody not showing any emotion while testifying?
Crystol Williams: I think the Cody was trained to show no emotion of any kind. Two, I think he was very scared for the outcome of this trial. His demeanor was very courteous on the stand. He was very polite to both sides. He did not give the impression of being a cold-hearted individual.
Question from B: What was your thought when the counselor said Cody came to him and said he was being abused and the counselor said he couldn't help Cody?
Crystol Williams: I felt like that counselor dropped the ball. For a child to come up and talk to a counselor, to finally get up the nerve... it seems like the counselor dropped the ball. Seems like because the counselor changed schools -- he was like, it's not my problem any more.
Question from sam: What did you think of Sandra Grisham?
Crystol Williams: She came off very abrupt, almost like she had a chip on her shoulder, like she had something to prove.
Question from Time4Truth: Did you find the defense attorney too emotionally involved with the case?
Crystol Williams: No, he came across as very polite, could be forceful when needed to be. Not rude or brusque. You could tell he was emotionally invested in Cody Posey. You'd hope you'd see that in a lawyer who's representing a child.
Question from Massviewer: Were you surprised there were no questions for Cody about the actual killings from either side, especially the prosecution?
Crystol Williams: No, I felt they had that taped video session. It was a moot point. He's not saying he didn't kill them. The question is why, the process leading up to them.
Question from awakening2lite: Were there questions about abuse on the jury questionnaire?
Crystol Williams: Ooh, I don't remember, but it was a pretty generic jury questionnaire. The way they pull juries here, you could end up on a traffic case or a case like this. When out jury pool was called, that's where they did start asking those type of questions about abuse.
Question from KaraokeDiva: Are you aware that Paul Posey's mother killed his father before turning the gun on herself, after a lifetime of abuse and do you feel that would have been important evidence to hear?
Question from Michelle: Have you heard about Cody's abusive grandfather who was killed by his grandmother who then killed herself fairly recently?
Crystol Williams: That's news to me, but someone once told me that hurt people hurt others, and I often wondered if Paul Posey was abused himself.
Question from CJ: What do you feel should happen to Cody?
Crystol Williams: He'll probably see some jail time, but in the long run I hope he gets some good therapy and put in a loving family environment , because that's what he deserves.
Question from Nana: Hey Crystol, welcome to your chat! Do you think Cody planned the murders?
Crystol Williams: No. I mean, he used logical thought to accomplish it, but if he really wanted to get away with it he could have hid them better.
Question from NMguy: What did you think of the expert witnesses --credible, informative?
Crystol Williams: The two psychologists for the defense, very credible. Myers, as soon as I heard he was from Florida -- red flag that they had to go all the way to Florida to find somebody credible. Also, the last witness, Sosa, came in with an accordion file, yet he said he forgot his notes -- how professional is that? Also, both Myers and Sosa's answers were so political, they talked around the direct question. Rather than coming up with a solid answer, they were evasive.
Question from Time4Truth: Welcome Ms.Williams, Can you give us your feeling on the jurors and their stance on this case?
Crystol Williams: That's a tough one. We did not discuss the case in the jury room, and I'm really not a person who analyzes people, so I can't tell how they would vote. I can say in the state's rebuttal, we all felt the dragging on of another witness, and what did we glean from it? You could get that feeling from all of us.
Court TV Host: Often, jurors on trials form a unique bond and lasting friendships - do you think that will happen in your case?
Crystol Williams: Yeah, three of the Hispanic girls are like long-lost friends. One of the alternates, the other one who was dismissed, I'd like to keep up correspondence.
Question from meliss: Do you believe the incest porn belonged to Paul Posey?
Crystol Williams: Yes. Testimony from Sandy saying it happened when she was married to him, and also the search listings that the defense presented.
Question from Grannee_ally: Was this case heavily covered in the Alamogordo area, and if so......how hard was it to not watch TV or read a newspaper?
Crystol Williams: I don't really read newspapers. To watch TV news reports was hard. It was really tough when my husband would watch Court TV, and he really wanted to talk about it, but we just had to go our separate ways.
Question from CJ: Doesn't the fact he shot some of them twice (in the face) and went out of his way to kill the women raise questions in your mind?
Crystol Williams: When I first heard the state bring up they were shot twice I thought, whoa! That showed a lot of aggressive emotion, but when the pathologist explained the mom was hit with snake shot. Well if I was gonna do the deed, I'd hit them again, and that Marilea was shot in the jaw... Also, we don't know which happened first -- so that's probably what happened. The state kept trying to push that, that the females were shot twice. It was like they were hyping it up, making it out to be more than it should be.
Question from onlyme: What have you learned about Cody that you would have liked to have heard in the trial that they were not able to get in?
Court TV Host: Or what have you still NOT learned that you would like to know?
Crystol Williams: I don't know what they didn't allow in. I'll learn as I watch Court TV or more news reports or talk to family and friends. I would have liked to have known if Paul was abused growing up. I would have liked to know more about the character of Tryone. Also, the pastors at the funeral, it would have been good to hear from them as to what happened at Carla's funeral. I also would have liked to know if it was usual for a ranch manager to move around so much. They kept pulling Cody out of activities. I kept thinking if they kept moving around to avert suspicion, or something of that order.
Question from Guest19249: Do you believe that Paul's family was lying?
Crystol Williams: I felt like they did not want to confront whether Paul was abusive or not. They were trying to keep the memory of someone deceased in a better light. They did not seem like a close-knit family.
Question from awakening2lite: Is this your first jury experience?
Crystol Williams: Yes. That leads into my expressions of the court process. A lot more drama goes on than just presenting facts. It was very noticeable when they moved Cody to face the jury. And also, the state conveniently displayed a picture of Marilea in her fiesta costume that the jury could see for quite a few days in the trial.
Question from Grannee_ally: Do you feel this case has affected you?
Crystol Williams: I don't feel the case has affected me personally, per se. It does open up the question of how can we reach out to these kids who are abused. In and of itself it's a hard thing to monitor because there's so much cover-up. The one teacher that overheard Cody's comments of not being loved seemed to have not gone anywhere and she regretted that, but I know there are kids out there who are suffering. My heart goes out to them and the survival mode they live in.
Court TV Host: Crystol Williams, thank you so much for taking the time today to be with us online and for taking us into the one part of the trial that we can never see.
Court TV Host: Any closing thoughts?
Crystol Williams: My heart goes out to the jury. This is a real serious debate that's going to go on for who knows how long.
Court TV Host: Thanks again.
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