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           SUPERIOR COURT OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
                 FOR THE COUNTY OF LOS ANGELES
     DEPARTMENT NO. WEQ        HON. HIROSHI FUJISAKI, JUDGE


     SHARON RUFO, ET AL.,                     )
                                              )
                                 PLAINTIFFS,  )
                                              )
               VS.                            )NO. SC031947
                                              )
     ORENTHAL JAMES SIMPSON, ET AL.,          )
                                              )
                                 DEFENDANTS.  )
     _________________________________________)






                  REPORTER'S DAILY TRANSCRIPT

                        JANUARY 21, 1996

                           VOLUME 46






                  REGINA D. CHAVEZ, CSR #8446
                       OFFICIAL REPORTER







     APPEARANCES:


     FOR THE PLAINTIFFS: DANIEL M. PETROCELLI ESQ.,
                         THOMAS LAMBERT, ESQ.,
                         PETER GELBLUM, ESQ., and
                         EDWARD MEDVENE, ESQ.
                         Firm:  MITCHELL SILBERBERG & KNUPP
                                11377 West Olympic Blvd.
                                Los Angeles, CA 90064-1663
                         For: Plaintiff Goldman



                         JOHN QUINLAN KELLY, ESQ.
                                330 Madison Ave.
                                New York, NY 10017-5090.
                         For: Plaintiff the Estate of
                              Nicole Brown Simpson



                         MICHAEL A. BREWER, ESQ.
                         Firm:  HORNBERGER & CRISWELL
                                444 South Flower St.
                                Los Angeles, CA 90071.
                         For:  Plaintiff Rufo



                        PAUL F. CALLAN, ESQ.
                        Firm:  CALLAN, REGENSTREICH,
                                KOSTER & BRADY
                                One Whitehall St.
                                New York, NY 10004
                        For:  Plaintiff Estate of.
                              Ronald L.  Goldman



     FOR THE DEFENDANTS: ROBERT C. BAKER, ESQ.,
                         MELISSA BLUESTEIN, ESQ., and
                         PHILIP BAKER, ESQ.
                         Firm: BAKER, SILBERBERG & KEENER
                               2650 Ocean Park Blvd., #300
                               Santa Monica, CA 90405-2936.

                                       -and-

                         DANIEL LEONARD, ESQ. and
                         ROBERT D.  BLASIER, ESQ.
                         Firm:  BAILEY, FISHMAN & LEONARD.
                                6355 Riverside Blvd.
                                Suite 2-F
                                Sacramento, CA 95831

     SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA; TUESDAY, JANUARY 21, 1997

                         8:53 AM

     DEPARTMENT NO. WEQ    HON. HIROSHI FUJISAKI, JUDGE



     APPEARANCES:

                  (PER COVER PAGE)

                  (REGINA D. CHAVEZ, OFFICIAL REPORTER)









                         (The following proceedings were

                         held in open court outside the

                         presence of the jury.)



            MR. LEONARD:  Morning, Your Honor.

            MR. LAMBERT:  He's with us.  He's going to help

     do the boards



                         (Indicating to individual sitting

                         next to Elmo screen).



            THE COURT:  Good morning.

            MR. BAKER:  Good morning.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Good morning.

            MR. BREWER:  Good morning.

            MR. LEONARD:  Morning, Your Honor.

            MR. KELLY:  Good morning, Your Honor.

            THE COURT:  We have an amendment and motion by

     counsel for plaintiff Rufo and --

            MR. LEONARD:  No objection.

            THE COURT:  Okay.  Amendment to the complaint

     and motion to strike or withdraw portions of the

     complaint are granted.

                  In regards to the instructions, the

     parties have submitted some additional proposed

     instructions at the request of the Court.

                  With regards to the instructions that

     concern presumptions, the defense has submitted two

     instructions in that regard.

                  I will hear from the defendant.

            MR. LEONARD:  Your Honor, I think there's just

     a single instruction maybe on two pages.

                  If we had submitted an earlier

     instruction, we withdraw it, but this is a -- it's a

     two-page instruction.

            THE COURT:  Okay.

            MR. LEONARD:  First of all --

            MR. BAKER:  There's two --

            MR. LEONARD:  Oh, there is.

            MR. BAKER:  We submitted two.

            MR. LEONARD:  If it appears to be two, it

     should be a single one, and the two paragraphs in the

     second page are a continuation of the single

     instruction on the first page.

                  Your Honor, first of all, I want to make

     it clear to the Court that we have taken the position

     in prior argument on instruction that the 664

     instruction should not be given at all in the case, so

     I don't want to waive that argument at all by virtue

     of our filing a proposed instruction in the event that

     Your Honor should decide that the 664 presumption is

     applicable in this case.

                  Just briefly on that point, I think it

     would be highly unfair and improper to give the

     presumption in this case, for this reason:

                  As you know, early on in the case,

     Your Honor limited our ability to gauge the witnesses'

     performance of the various tests and or took in their

     official duties by demonstrating what the standards

     are, the protocols, the rules and regulations.

                  I can quote to you your own statement

     made in the beginning of the case -- excuse me, during

     the testimony of -- I believe it was Officer Riske in

     which this issue came up; we were trying to

     cross-examine Riske and Rossi and other officers about

     what the proper procedures were as to the crime scene,

     what the rules and regulations are, what the protocols

     were, for instance, about setting up a perimeter and

     so forth and so on.

                  And Your Honor said, among other things,

     whether or not the police department did or did not

     act within certain protocols of police investigation

     or not, other than the facts that if they spoiled some

     evidence or affected the evidence of the case, some of

     the evidence being offered, all their shortcomings, in

     the Court's opinion, do not go to the issue of

     efficacy of plaintiffs' evidence, and I'm going to

     continue to sustain objections thereon.

                  The problem now that we face is they want

     both the benefit of the presumption, which as we put

     in our instruction presumes not that various tests are

     reliable, not that there wasn't planting, not that

     there wasn't alteration, not that there was any

     contamination, but as the Court stated in Davenport,

     which is cited, the presumption of 664 is compliance

     with statutory and regulatory standards.

                  And our only burden in a 664 situation is

     to show that those statutory and regulatory standard

     procedures or protocol guidelines were in any respect

     not followed.

                  So how can we possibly do that now?  Your

     Honor has foreclosed our ability to do that, so in my

     view it would be patently unfair to give this

     instruction because we weren't permitted to get behind

     the actions of the police officers, the criminalists,

     and so forth, by showing, for instance, what the --

     what the official protocol was for certain crime scene

     activities, both by the police and criminalists, and

     lab personnel as well.

                  So I don't think if -- In other words, if

     they objected from the -- in the beginning to that and

     Your Honor sustained their objection, how can they get

     the benefit of this presumption?

                  We had no opportunity to rebut it, so I

     think that the presumption shouldn't be given.

                  Also, I think there's been no evidence of

     what the standards are that are presumed under 664.

                  So I don't know how this is supposed to

     operate.  If Your Honor is inclined to give the

     instruction, we certainly think --

            THE COURT:  Let me -- hold on a second.  Let me

     hear a response from the plaintiffs.

            MR. GELBLUM:  Your Honor, the instructions that

     you placed on the defense mainly went to whether

     uncollected evidence, undone things, not -- not so

     much what they did.

                  They were allowed -- you allowed them

     complete and thorough examination of what was done in

     this case.

                  The witnesses testified what they did,

     how they did it.  And that fully complies with 664,

     because under 664 -- it certainly really cannot be

     doubted that part of the duties of these police

     officers is to refrain from planting or manufacturing

     evidence.

                  It cannot be doubted that part of the

     duties of a criminalist is to properly collect

     evidence, part of the duties of a criminalist is to

     properly test the evidence.  Those duties certainly

     come within the plain language of 664; their official

     duty as regularly performed.

                  And you did not restrict the defense in

     any way, shape, or form, from going into -- examining

     in thoroughness and detail, and certainly beyond what

     the plaintiffs thought was appropriate, every step

     that they took in handling the actual evidence in this

     case, which is, as you properly ruled repeatedly

     throughout this trial, is the -- only the evidence in

     this case is the only issue in this case, whether this

     is handled -- is the Andrea Mazzola video which was

     not videotape of her collecting evidence in this case,

     but a demonstration the prosecution put together

     before that was shown to the jury.  They got to show

     those.  They got to see those procedures.  There was

     discussion about the procedures.  There was thorough

     discussion about what was done in this case.

            MR. LEONARD:  Your Honor, just one more point.

                  That is -- that's an absolute bootstrap

     argument when they say, surely, planting and

     alteration and purpose for alteration of evidence are

     presumed to not be part of official duty.  But that's

     the same thing as saying in a DUI case that the

     reliability of the test is certainly presumed or that

     the test was undertaken in a reliable fashion.

                  However, the Court said again --

     Davenport says it's not the reliability of the test in

     the DUI that's presumed, it's the fact that the

     standards and regulations in administering the test

     were followed.  To the point where in Santos, Your

     Honor, that's -- I'll give you the citation.

                  Santos versus Department of Motor

     Vehicles at 5. Cal.Ap. 4th 537, 1992 case.  There was

     no -- The defense pierced the presumption simply by

     showing that there was no time indicated as to when

     the test was done, and the Court specifically said it

     doesn't -- the defense doesn't have to rebut the

     reliability of the test, they just have to show that

     the rules or regulations were not followed in any

     respect.

                  Now, how I put the question to you --

     again, put yourself in our position, how were we

     supposed to do that when we weren't permitted to even

     establish what the rules and standards and protocols

     were?  How were we supposed to do that?

                  Now --

            THE COURT:  You want to respond to that

     argument?

            MR. GELBLUM:  I mean, again, the Mazzola video,

     they showed that.

            THE COURT:  You're not responding to his

     argument.

            MR. GELBLUM:  They showed that as an example --

     I believe the purpose in showing it was to show these

     are their procedures to be followed.

            THE COURT:  Excuse me.

            MR. GELBLUM:  I'm responding.

            THE COURT:  I want you to respond to my

     question.  My question is what is your response to

     Mr. Leonard's last argument.

            MR. GELBLUM:  Well, I believe his last argument

     was they weren't allowed to put on evidence of what

     the procedure is.

            THE COURT:  What the standards were that in the

     beneficiaries of the presumptions are seeking to -- or

     should have followed.

            MR. GELBLUM:  My reference to the Mazzola video

     is part of the response.

            THE COURT:  That's not very responsive.

            MR. GELBLUM:  Okay.

                  Well, the only procedure -- standard

     we're talking about, and procedures that we're talking

     about, in the instructions we've requested, is a very

     broad standard which is thou shalt not plant

     plaintiffs' evidence.

                  I don't know how anybody can argue that's

     not part of standard procedures for the police

     department.  They're not supposed to plant or

     manufacture evidence.  Okay.  Same thing with

     collecting the evidence.  They're supposed to collect

     it properly.  Same thing with tests, they're supposed

     to conduct the tests properly.

                  I don't recall the defense coming in with

     any attempt to talk, in fact, on the testing,

     Your Honor, they answered the request for admissions,

     they admitted the tests were done properly.  They

     absolutely admitted those tests were done properly.

     They said there was some problem with the blood before

     and this they admit the tests were done properly.

                  A lot of this evidence came in and was

     allowed to come in.

            MR. LEONARD:  Your Honor, I'd like to respond

     to the final point.  That's absolutely not what we did

     in response to request for admission.

                  Also, one final point.  There's another

     reason why this instruction shouldn't be given, and

     that is that they're getting the benefit of both the

     presumption and putting on a witness.

                  There's a case analogous called Coe

     versus Southern Pacific Company, an old railroad case

     from 1962.  It involves due care by the railroad.

                  I'll give you the citation.  It's

     203 CalAp. 2, 509, 1962.

                  It's precisely the same issue except it

     involved the presumption of due care by a railroad.

     The Court says in the end -- it's a similar situation.

     They put the engineer on to say that he was exercising

     due care at the same time they wanted the presumption.

     And the Court says you can't get both, you've got to

     choose.

                  And that's what you should do in this

     case, Your Honor.  They can't have both.  They can't.

     And they also can't have the benefit of their

     restrictive view of the case, and their objections

     which were sustained by you, and at the same time get

     the presumption.  It's just not fair.

            MR. GELBLUM:  Your Honor, number one, obviously

     we had to put on evidence.  We didn't know -- we still

     don't know whether this instruction is going to be

     given.  We had to put on evidence.  It's ludicrous to

     say we can't have the presumption because we put on

     evidence.

                  Secondly, I think that Mr. Leonard

     greatly overstates the restrictions that they were

     under.  There were many, many cross-examinations,

     questions by the defense, regarding proper procedures

     and filling out the sheets for Andrea Mazzola.  If

     they were allowed to then -- if they fill out their

     sheets, a lot of that wasn't allowed, you put limited

     restrictions.  There wasn't any lengthy questioning

     whether they went in properly.  There were a lot of

     questions about whether they did something properly.

     Properly means based against some standard or

     procedure.

            MR. LEONARD:  Your Honor, if that's the case, I

     can't imagine in any of these instances when we were

     somehow allowed to get in the standards which were

     never articulated.  If the witnesses admitted they

     didn't follow the standards, then we obviously have

     proven that they didn't follow the standards in any

     respect and then there's no need to give the

     presumption now.  End of matter.

            THE COURT:  Okay.  Submitted.

            MR. LEONARD:  Thank you.

            MR. GELBLUM:  One last thing.

            THE COURT:  Go ahead.

            MR. GELBLUM:  If as a -- as a backup, I guess,

     if you're inclined to accept Mr. Leonard's position on

     his last point, that can be solved by adding a

     paragraph to the instruction regarding if performed by

     a preponderance of the evidence, that standards were

     not complied with.  That would handle that issue.

            THE COURT:  Well, based upon the Court's

     earlier ruling, which is actually based upon a motion

     of plaintiff, I think the Court did preclude the

     defendant from establishing standards on which the

     presumption can be measured, as referred to in the

     Davenport case, the Court is going to exclude all the

     instructions as to presumptions.

                  There was one additional 14.50 that I

     have in this group that I have marked as objected.

                  Did we continue the issue of measure of

     damages last Friday?

            MR. GELBLUM:  Yeah.  We agreed finally after

     some discussion that we would go with 14.50 putting in

     the names of the parties.  That's what we submitted.

            THE COURT:  So the batch that we gave you to

     work on over the weekend, that's the 14.50 that you

     were offering?

            MR. GELBLUM:  No.  We had -- we had combined

     14.50 and 14.52.

            THE COURT:  That's what you're offering?

            MR. GELBLUM:  No.  We're just offering straight

     14.50.  It says -- it has the number at the top.  See

     where it says 14.50 and 14.52, that really should say

     just straight 14.50 with names put in as Your Honor

     said we could, rather than saying deceased and heirs.

            MR. BAKER:  Well, you know --

            THE COURT:  Okay.

            MR. BAKER:  They don't need the one on Rufo

     because Rufo is included in the redundant.  At least

     in the packet that they have favored me with, they

     have.

            MR. GELBLUM:  There's two separate plaintiffs

     there to give an aggregate.  I assume they can

     consider them separately and add them up together.

            MR. BAKER:  No, but look at your instruction.

     You have two plaintiffs.

            MR. GELBLUM:  Right.

            MR. BAKER:  And then you go on the next one and

     then have --

            THE COURT:  Okay.  That's satisfactory.

            MR. BAKER:  And, Your Honor, I object to the

     verdict form in its present form.

            MR. GELBLUM:  Before --

            THE COURT:  Let me finish with the

     instructions.

            MR. BAKER:  Okay.  I apologize.  I thought you

     said you were satisfied, meaning the instructions.

            THE COURT:  No, the 14.50.

            MR. BAKER:  Okay.

            THE COURT:  With regards to the instruction,

     with regards to the proceeding in another county.

     It's been tagged, the clerk informs me that you have

     an objection to that one.

            MR. BAKER:  Yes, Your Honor.

            MR. GELBLUM:  If I may explain, because I

     submitted it, just what it is.

            THE COURT:  Go ahead.

            MR. GELBLUM:  It tracks almost verbatim the

     instruction that you gave the jury when we left on

     vacation, except with -- I added the end, the judge in

     that proceeding did not consider any evidence

     regarding the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and

     Ronald Goldman, which I think is taken almost verbatim

     from the opinion of the custody judge.

            THE COURT:  Okay.  I'll give that.

            MR. BAKER:  Your Honor, may I be heard?

                  Let me put on the record my objection to

     it.

            THE COURT:  Yes.

            MR. BAKER:  This instruction, as stated, is not

     true, that the issues and the ruling of the proceeding

     have nothing to do with this case.

                  Six witnesses testified, and they

     previewed those witnesses at the custody hearing and

     brought them into this case.

                  And indeed, the circumstantial evidence

     regarding the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and

     Ron Goldman were an issue and raised by the -- the

     Browns in Orange County, No. 3, and the whole issue

     down there was the relationship, but Alan Aguilar, Day

     OJ Simpson, Judy Brown, all testified in that case.

                  So this is an inaccurate statement of

     what occurred down there.

                  I don't think we ought to highlight that

     proceeding.

            THE COURT:  That's the point of the

     instruction, so that I'll highlight it.

                  I will give it.

            MR. GELBLUM:  A new instruction, Your Honor,

     was one requested about Exhibit 732.

            THE COURT:  Yes.

            MR. GELBLUM:  That's in there.  I don't know if

     there's any objection to that.

            MR. BAKER:  Yes.  I object to that.  I object

     to highlighting that.  You've given them an

     instruction that I objected to at the time, and I

     object to this.

            THE COURT:  Okay.  Admonished them at the time

     and now they're getting an instruction.

            MR. BAKER:  I think you gave them an

     instruction before and you're giving them a second

     instruction.

            THE COURT:  Well, I'll stand on the record.

            THE COURT:  Okay.

                  State your objection to the verdict form.

            MR. BAKER:  Yes, Your Honor.

                  My objections to the verdict form are,

     No. 1, it doesn't give adequate instructions to the

     jury as to what they're to do relative to answering

     questions.  It isn't in the proper order, in terms of

     the questions, and I will propose an alternative

     verdict form.

                  For example, it reads -- question 1 is

     "Do you find by a preponderance of the evidence the

     defendant Simpson willfully and wrongfully caused the

     death of Ronald Goldman?

                  Then it asks to award damages.

                  Then it goes to the issue of battery.  It

     doesn't suggest any damages at all, and it doesn't

     tell them -- for example, at the end of question 1 it

     says, if your answer is no, do not answer question 2.

                  It doesn't tell them where to proceed to

     answer the questions, never gives them instructions

     when they're to sign and return the verdict form.

                  And the questions relative to damages,

     that should be at the conclusion like it is in every

     other verdict form.

                  And the issue relative to the battery of

     Nicole Brown Simpson should be question 3 rather than

     6.

                  I will propose a new jury verdict form

     tomorrow.

            MR. BREWER:  Your Honor, Mr. Baker and I

     discussed early this morning the verdict form, and

     rather than have both sides, why don't we muddle

     through this form.

                  I think we can -- we started to do so

     earlier, and we'll see if we can decide upon a special

     verdict form.  Have that to you sometime today.

                  Agreed?

            MR. BAKER:  Well, I don't know if we're going

     to have it today.

            MR. BREWER:  We'll work on it today.

            MR. BAKER:  Your Honor, may I request -- and I

     know you've made your ruling, but may I request a -- I

     understand that you have previously excluded Charlotte

     Blasier from the courtroom.

                  Bob Blasier, as you are well aware, has

     had some very serious back surgery.  She is really his

     attendant.  And the infraction that she had relative

     to when she was here earlier before the Christmas

     break, I think was inadvertent, minor.

                  We would be most appreciative if she

     could be in the courtroom for the remaining days while

     Mr. Blasier is here and gives his final summation and

     opinion, she will be there, and there is no objection

     from the plaintiffs' counsel, we would appreciate your

     consideration in that regard, sir.

            THE COURT:  Well, I think the considerations

     that the Court had in making its order doesn't really

     have anything to do with the plaintiff, it has to do

     with maintenance of order in the Courtroom, and the

     Court will not change its ruling.

                  Bring the jury in.

            MR. BLASIER:  Your Honor, may I request --

     respectfully request that we take a break at the time

     Judge Perez is taking a break.  I'd like to ask to

     bring this matter before him.

            THE COURT:  It's my courtroom, Mr. Blasier.

            MR. BLASIER:  I'm just making that as a

     request.



                         (Jurors resume their respective

                         seats.)



                         (The following proceedings were

                         held in open court in the presence

                         of the jury.)



            THE COURT:  Morning, ladies and gentlemen.

            JURORS:  Good morning, Your Honor.

            THE COURT:  Ladies and gentlemen, you've heard

     the evidence in this case and now we're about to hear

     closing arguments by the attorneys for each side.

                  I want to remind you that what the

     attorneys argue to you, what they state to you at this

     stage of the proceedings are not evidence.  Whatever

     they argue, whatever they refer to with regards to the

     evidence, that it is their opinion as to what they

     believe the evidence showed or did not show and how

     they feel that the jury should rule with regards to

     the nature of the evidence, and how the jury should

     apply the law to that state of the evidence as they

     perceive it.

                  Evidence is only that which you heard

     from the witness stand and the graphic and other types

     of evidence that we denote as evidence that we've

     received in the trial.

                  You are the sole judges as to what the

     evidence means and what it established, what it did

     not establish.

                  You must not consider what the attorneys

     state to you as the evidence.

                  The reason that the Court instructs you

     every day not to allow any outside interference with

     the evidence gathering process by jurors is precisely

     to ensure that you do not go outside of the trial for

     your information.

                  What you decide this case upon has to be

     that which was received in the trial and you cannot

     rely on any information received elsewhere.

                  So that is why you must not permit radio,

     television, newspaper, magazine, or word of mouth

     information about this case, that was not received in

     the trial itself, to affect your judgment in any way.

                  When I tell you that the statements of

     the attorneys do not constitute evidence and the

     statements of what they say the law is is not what the

     law is, it's not my intention to tell you to disregard

     what the attorneys say.  This is the last chance that

     they have to directly talk to you about the case and

     it's very important to both sides that you pay close

     attention to what their views are of what the evidence

     was and how you should apply the law to this case.

                  At the end of the case, after the

     attorneys have argued to you, I will instruct you as

     to what the law is that you will apply to the evidence

     as you find it to be.

                  And I'll also be giving you a special

     verdict form which you will fill out according to the

     instructions that are directly on the instruction

     forms themselves.

                  And in this fashion, you will be reaching

     your decision in this case.

                  So at this time, Mr. Petrocelli, I will

     invite you or Mr. Kelly or any other plaintiffs'

     counsel to commence their opening portion of the

     closing argument.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Thank you.

                  Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.

            JURORS:  Good morning.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Your Honor, defense counsel,

     ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I first would like

     to extend our appreciation to Your Honor and your

     excellent staff.  This has been a long trial and we

     are greatly appreciative of the way that you have

     conducted these proceedings.

                  But it is you, ladies and gentlemen of

     the jury, to whom we owe the deepest debt of

     gratitude.  You have given up the last four months of

     your lives at great personal sacrifice to be here and

     to make a commitment to serve on this jury.  You have

     been here every day, taking notes, listening

     attentively, focusing on all the evidence that has

     come in, and for that we are extremely grateful.  We

     thank you.

                  We are here to determine responsibility

     for the deaths of Ronald Goldman and Nicole Brown

     Simpson.  Two vital people who had most of their lives

     ahead of them.

                  Here they are in life.

                  (Indicating to Elmo).

                  Steve.

                  By now, today, Ron Goldman would have

     been 29 years old, and I think he would have had that

     restaurant that he wanted to open shaped in the design

     of an ankh, the Egyptian symbol for eternal life,

     which Ron always wore around his neck and even had

     tattooed on his shoulder.

                  You want to put the other picture up?



                         (Indicating to Elmo).



                  Nicole Brown Simpson would have been 37

     years old.

                  Not on a day unlike today, I think she

     would have, like she did every day, gotten up and

     taken care of her children, feed them, take them to

     school, karate lessons, dance lessons, bring them

     home, feed them dinner, play with them, put them to

     bed.

                  Okay.

                  Ron Goldman will never get to open his

     restaurant, ladies and gentlemen.

                  And Nicole Brown Simpson will never see

     her children grow up.

                  Because on a Sunday evening in 1994,

     these two vital people, their lives came to a sudden

     end in a few moments of uncontrollable rage.

                  Here they are in death (indicating to

     Elmo).

                  I apologize for the photograph.

                  Nicole, as you can imagine, was helpless

     at the hands of this enraged man, and she died within

     moments of the gaping cut to her throat.

                  Ron Goldman, instead of running from

     danger, tried to help a friend, but he too was

     defenseless against this powerful man with a 6-inch

     knife stabbing over and over and over again until Ron

     collapsed to the ground and died with his eyes still

     open.

                  Now, had Ron lived, ladies and gentlemen,

     he'd have been on this witness stand and he would have

     relived what happened that night and he would have

     told us what he saw.

            MR. BAKER:  I object.  This is improper

     evidence.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Your Honor --

            THE COURT:  Overruled.  It's argument.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  But that is why Ron Goldman

     was killed.  So he could not tell you what he saw that

     evening.

                  But even though Ron and Nicole's voices

     will not be heard in this courtroom, they will not be

     on that stand, their last struggling moments to stay

     alive, ladies and gentlemen, provided us the key

     evidence necessary to identify their killer.

                  They managed to get a glove pulled off, a

     hat to drop off, they managed to dig nails into the

     left hand of this man, cause other injuries to his

     hand, forcing him to drop his blood next to their

     bodies as he tried to get away.

                  And by their blood, they forced him to

     step, step, step as he walked to the back, leaving

     shoe prints that are just like fingerprints in this

     case that tell us who did this, who did this

     unspeakable tragedy.

                  So these crucial pieces of evidence after

     all are the voices of Ron and Nicole speaking to us

     from their graves, telling us, telling all of you,

     that there is a killer in this courtroom (indicating

     to Mr. Simpson.)

                  That is the man who attacked them, who

     confronted them, and who killed them on that Sunday

     evening in June.  The defendant, Orenthal Simpson.

                  You heard his voice on the witness stand,

     ladies and gentlemen.  You heard his voice on the

     witness stand.  He took the stand about a week or so

     ago, about one full day in his defense.

                  Now, by that time, we the plaintiffs had

     presented overwhelming and highly incriminating

     evidence that Mr. Simpson committed these murders on

     June 12.

                  We did not merely prove that he did these

     things by a preponderance of the evidence, which, as

     you will hear later on as the Judge will instruct you,

     is the burden of proof that we have to meet in this

     case.

                  We didn't prove it merely by clear and

     convincing evidence, which is yet another burden of

     proof.

                  We didn't prove it merely by proof beyond

     a reasonable doubt, which is the standard of proof

     that applies in criminal cases.

                  We proved it to a certainty.  We proved

     it beyond any doubt.

                  So what did Mr. Simpson say about all

     this evidence when he took the stand?

                  What did his fine lawyer, Mr. Baker, ask

     him about?

                  Did Mr. Simpson explain why his blood and

     his DNA were found dripped on the ground near the two

     victims.  Did he talk about that?

                  Did he explain why his glove was found

     next to these two murdered people?  Did he explain

     that?

                  Did he explain why his other glove was

     found back at his house?  Did he talk about that?

                  Did he explain why his hat, his knit cap,

     was at the murder scene?  Why it had his head hairs in

     it?  Why it had his clothing fibers?  Did he explain

     any of that?  Not one word.

                  Did he explain why his blood was in his

     car that night?  Did he explain why Ron Goldman's

     blood was in his car that night?  Why Nicole's blood

     was in his car that night?  Did he say anything about

     this?

                  Did he talk about why his blood, O.J.

     Simpson's blood, was dripped on the driveway of his

     property that night?  In his foyer?  Up in his

     bathroom right next to his bedroom?  Did he talk about

     that?

                  Did he explain why his socks had his

     blood, why his socks had Nicole's blood on them, on

     both socks?  Not one word did you hear when we waited

     to hear.

                  Did he talk about what happened to those

     brown Aris leather light gloves, size extra large,

     that we saw him wearing in those photos of him at the

     football games?  The ones that are identical to the

     murder gloves.

                  Now, if they are not the murder gloves,

     as he says, why didn't he bring them to court?  Why

     didn't he bring them here and say here are my gloves.

     I am innocent.  Did he say any of that?  Did he talk

     about that?

                  Did he say anything about the 30

     photographs, over 30 photographs in fact, of him

     wearing those "ugly ass" Bruno Magli shoes that he

     swore to you, under oath on that witness stand, that

     he never owned and never wore?  Did he talk about

     those photos?

                  No, he didn't.

                  Did he explain, by the way, how one of

     those photos could be a fake if it was published eight

     months before the murders in a Buffalo sports

     newspaper?  Did you hear anything about that?

                  You didn't hear a word.

                  If those were not the shoes he was really

     wearing, as he said, did he come here that day and

     bring his shoes that he did wear that day at the

     football game?  Did he bring them to court?  Did he

     show them to you?  Did he say here are the shoes I was

     wearing; I wasn't wearing those ugly ass shoes.  I was

     wearing these shoes.  Did he bring those shoes here to

     show them to you to prove his innocence?

                  How about a photograph.  Did he produce a

     single photograph?

                  This guy's got to be one of the most

     photographed people in the world, perhaps.  Sitting

     there on a side line, with thousands of cameras,

     television cameras.

                  Did he bring a photograph wearing the

     shoes he claims he was really wearing?

                  Not one.

                  Did he explain to you how he could cut

     himself the night of the murders between 10 and 11, at

     the time these murders occurred, on his left finger,

     and yet not know how?

                  "I don't know how I cut myself."

                  Did he even talk about that?

                  Did he explain to you last week how he

     could cut himself so badly in Chicago, he claims so

     bad as to leave a permanent scar on that finger, and

     yet not know how he did it?

                  Did he talk about that?

                  This was his chance to tell us what the

     answers were.  Confronted with all this evidence,

     highly incriminating, conclusively incriminating

     evidence, pointing right at him, and what did he

     choose to say, what did he choose to tell you, ladies

     and gentlemen of the jury?

                  Well, he talked about his accomplishments

     as a football player.  How he won the Heismann trophy.

     Ran 2,003 yards in one NFL season.  How he broke

     records and received awards.  We heard all about that.

                  We heard about his work for Hertz,

     Chevrolet, the jobs as a broadcaster, as an actor.

                  He dropped some names of famous people he

     socialized with.  I'm sure you remember that.

     Kareem Abdul Jabbar, and people like that.

                  Talked and talked and talked about golf.

     A lot about golf.

                  And he went to great lengths, ladies and

     gentlemen, to talk about his character.  Remember how

     he was asked, and you heard Mr. Baker say in his

     opening statement about this Hall of Fame speech,

     about how a guy's character will always endure.

                  Well, you heard about that.

                  We heard about how he always tries to

     help others.

                  We heard that he still goes to his mother

     for advice.

                  And then he talked of his honesty, and he

     told us, looking you straight in the eye, right here,

     and said, I have never, ever attempted to tell a lie

     about anything important in my life.

                  Now, we heard him say that.

                  He talked about Nicole, too, of course.

     About how he tried to be a good husband to her.  About

     how he was a good father to their children.  And about

     how he would never harm her.

                  These are the things Mr. Baker asked him

     about and these are the things he spoke about.

                  The bottom line here, ladies and

     gentlemen, is that they would like you to believe that

     that handsome man with the charming smile, the

     expensive suit, who's lived the life of fame,

     celebrity and fortune, and who claims to be dedicated

     to his family, flawless in character, incapable of

     telling a lie, that that man could not possibly be

     responsible for the deaths of Nicole Brown Simpson and

     Ronald Goldman.

                  But it is that very same sense of

     superiority, ladies and gentlemen, that Mr. Simpson

     has attained that explains why he has absolutely no

     sense of responsibility for his actions or his

     obligation to tell the truth or for anything else.

                  He'll talk about responsibility.

                  Can you put the picture up?



                        (Photo is displayed on Elmo.)



                  What kind of man, ladies and gentlemen,

     confronted with this bruised and battered picture of

     Nicole, says, I take full responsibility for causing

     all those injuries, but I didn't hit her, I didn't

     strike her, I didn't slap her, I didn't do anything

     wrong, I was just defending myself, I was just trying

     to get her out of my bedroom.

                  What kind of man, who has shared a

     bedroom with his wife for 10 years, calls it my

     bedroom, my house, my property, me.

                  What kind of man takes a baseball bat to

     his wife's car, right in front of her, and then says

     he was not upset, he was not out of control, he was

     not in a state of rage, and she wasn't upset at all,

     not the slightest, even though she went to call the

     police for help.

                  What kind of man kicks open a door so

     hard as to break it in pieces and then says it was

     just a reflex, and actually went on to blame it on his

     kids, saying they had broken it before.

                  What kind of man says his deceased

     wife's, voice on a 911 tape, which we played in court,

     what kind of man says his wife is lying on that tape

     when she says she's afraid and when she says that he's

     going to beat the shit out of her, to use her words.

     What kind of man says his deceased wife is lying when

     you heard her voice trembling on that tape.

                  What kind of man says cheating on your

     wife isn't a lie, which is what he said.

                  What kind of man says that his wife's

     most private writings about her feelings and

     attitudes, in fact her last written words, which I

     will show you later on, are a, quote, pack of lies,

     end of quotes.

                  What kind of man, when shown 30

     photographs of him wearing those Bruno Magli shoes,

     looks you straight in the eye with a straight face and

     says that's me, it's my head, that's my jacket, that's

     my tie, that's my shirt, those are my arms, that's my

     hands, that's my belt, pants, not my shoes, those are

     people I know that I'm taking pictures with, but no,

     not my shoes, I wasn't wearing those shoes.  What kind

     of man says that to you with a straight face?

                  What kind of man says that virtually

     every other person in this case who testified on the

     stand against him is either lying or mistaken, and

     he's right.

                  What kind of man would try to ruin the

     lives of innocent people just doing their jobs,

     accusing them of fabricating evidence, planting

     evidence, committing perjury, just to protect himself.

                  And what kind of man comes into court and

     looks you straight in the eye and says I never lied

     about anything important in my life, and then lied

     about everything important in this case.

                  Well, let me tell you what kind of man

     says those things, ladies and gentlemen.

                  Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure

     it out.

                  You can take that down, Steve (indicating

     to Elmo).

                  A guilty man.  A guilty man.  A man with

     no remorse.  A man with no conscience.

                  This man is so obsessed with trying to

     salvage his image and protect himself that he'll come

     into this courtroom, knowing the whole world is

     watching, and he will smear the name and reputation of

     the mother of his children while she rests in her

     grave.

                  This is a man, ladies and gentlemen, who

     I submit to you has lied and lied and lied to you

     about every important fact in this case.

                  Every one.

                  Did you notice, by the way, how Mr. Baker

     referred to Mr. Simpson on the witness stand as O.J.

     and Juice, even though every other witness was

     addressed by his or her formal name?

                  We all know Mr. Baker is a very

     experienced lawyer, and I'm sure that was no accident.

                  O.J. Simpson has been marketing,

     manufacturing, packaging and selling his image to the

     American public for over 30 years.

                  And know what they tried to do in this

     courtroom, he and his defense team, to sell you an

     image, O.J., Juice, an image, a personality.

                  I even asked him, are you an actor?  He

     says no, I'm a personality.

                  Now, we are not here, though, in this

     important trial to be sold anything and we're not here

     to talk about O.J. and Juice and talk about images.

                  We're here to talk about a man named

     Simpson, a deeply flawed man named Simpson, and what

     he did on June 12, 1994.

                  And in the final analysis, that's what

     this case is all about, ladies and gentlemen.  It's

     about fixing responsibility for the deaths of these

     two innocent victims.

                  And we would all agree that in this

     society we all have to accept responsibility, we all

     have to be accountable for what we do.  All of you

     folks, you are responsible in your lives, to your

     families, at your jobs, on this jury.  You get up

     every morning, you come here, you listen, you

     concentrate, you focus, you take notes.

                  If you break the rules, you know there

     are consequences such as being discharged from the

     jury.

                  You understand your responsibility.  You

     accept it.

                  Now, those are the rules that we all have

     to abide by.  Those rules don't change, ladies and

     gentlemen, if a person has won the Heismann trophy or

     has broken football records.

                  You all agreed when this case began that

     you would treat Mr. Simpson by the same standards and

     responsibility, the same rules as anybody, as you

     would want to be treated, and I have no doubt that you

     will do so.

                  And I submit to you that when you judge

     Mr. Simpson by the same rules, by the same standards

     of responsibility that you would judge any other

     person, what you saw in this courtroom, what you heard

     in this courtroom, can only lead you to conclude,

     ladies and gentlemen, that this man is responsible for

     killing two people on June 12, that he's utterly

     incapable of accepting responsibility for his actions,

     that he can not and will not tell the truth either.

                  Therefore it is up to you, all of you, to

     fix responsibility on him for what he did for the sake

     of the victims, their families, and for some small

     measure of justice.

                  Now, I'd like to begin by looking at the

     most incriminating of the evidence that we have

     presented to you.  And that's the evidence that was

     found at 875 South Bundy, which is of course where

     Nicole lived, where the murders occurred, as we know.

                  To summarize, ladies and gentlemen, at

     Bundy we have a substantial amount of blood evidence,

     DNA evidence matching Mr. Simpson's DNA.

                  We have his shoe prints, those unique

     shoe prints, one of a kind, size 12 Bruno Magli shoes,

     leading away from the bodies to the back.

                  These are the shoes that Mr. Simpson

     owned, wore, and lied to you about, as you saw from

     the photos and his testimony.

                  We also have a single Aris leather light

     brown glove, extra large, found at the scene between

     the bodies, and of course Mr. Simpson owned such a

     glove, as you saw from the photos.

                  We have hair and fiber evidence at Bundy.

     We have head hairs of Mr. Simpson in a hat just like

     hats that he owned.  We have blue-black -- dark

     blue-black cotton fibers found on Mr. Goldman's shirt

     which matched fibers found on Mr. Simpson's socks in

     his bedroom and on the glove that he dropped at his

     home in Rockingham, the same blue-black cotton fiber

     matching, meaning that he was the common source, the

     messenger between all three of these places.

                  We also had this rare unique carpet fiber

     that was found at Bundy, and it was -- and it matched

     the carpet fiber in Mr. Simpson's Bronco:  You have

     blood; you have shoes, you have hair and fiber; you

     have everything that you need.

                  Now, I'm going to put up a board in a

     second and go over this evidence in a little more

     detail, but I want to mention a few things, a few sort

     of obvious observations.

                  Bundy is the home of Nicole Brown

     Simpson.  These murders didn't occur at -- in a dark

     alley or parking lot or convenience store; they

     occurred right at her home, not far from her front

     door, which was left wide open, with the lights on

     inside, you'll remember the testimony.  There's no

     evidence of a burglary here, robbery, vandalism, or

     rape, or any kind of sexual assault.  We're not

     dealing with any of that here.

                  Nothing on the victims' person:  Their

     jewelry, their personal effects, nothing was taken;

     nothing was removed; nothing inside the home was

     touched or disturbed; nothing was stolen; nothing was

     ransacked.  Nicole had a very expensive Ferrari out in

     the garage, another car out there, a Jeep Cherokee.

     None of that was touched.

                  The children were upstairs, asleep in

     their bedrooms, unharmed.  There's no evidence that

     anybody touched or tried to hurt those children.

                  There's no evidence that Nicole was

     expecting anyone, either.

                  Ron Goldman went there at the very last

     minute, when he was asked by Nicole, right before

     10 o'clock, to drop off a pair of glasses.

                  Nobody knew Ron Goldman was going to

     Nicole's condominium on his way to meet some friends;

     only he knew, Nicole knew, and Karen Crawford, who

     worked at Mezzaluna.  She knew when she took the call

     from Nicole and saw Ron leave.

                  So it is very clear that Nicole Brown

     Simpson was the target of this attack.  By someone who

     knew she would be home and someone who knew where she

     lived.

                  It's not a gunshot killing.  We're

     talking about a killing by a knife, up close, by a

     person, obviously from these wounds, in a state of

     rage, a rage killing.

                  And all these signs, ladies and gentlemen

     point directly to a person who knew Nicole, knew where

     to find her, and had no reason to go to her house that

     night except to confront her, and had no reason to

     expect Ron Goldman, who showed up unexpectedly.

                  There's no such person other than

     O.J. Simpson, ladies and gentlemen.  And all the

     physical evidence proves that it was him.

                  Can we put out the Bundy board.



                         (Exhibit referred to was displayed

                         on the Elmo screen.)





            MR. PETROCELLI:  I'd like to go over this

     evidence in a little bit of detail, because this is

     the most critical evidence in the case (indicating to

     board displayed on the Elmo screen), all at Bundy, all

     where the murders occurred.

                  What we have, of course, are the blood

     drops that were leaving the scene of the -- of where

     the bodies were found, going out towards the alley

     (indicating), and then one drop right over here on the

     other side of the rear (indicating), indicate -- we

     have the blood drops on the rear gate, as the killer

     bled a few drops as he went through that gate.

                  These blood drops (indicating), of

     course, are on the left side of the shoe prints.

     They're on the left side of the shoe prints,

     indicating that the person who dropped this blood was

     injured on his left side, such as a left finger or

     left hand.

                    We have the shoe prints.  Of course,

     it's unique prints made in Nicole's blood.

                  What you need to understand, ladies and

     gentlemen, is, that shoe made that footprint, that is

     a perfect match -- and there's not any testimony in

     this case disputing that; nobody challenges that --

     that shoe made that shoe print.  If he's wearing that

     shoe, he did it.

                  Those are the gloves identical to one of

     the gloves found here.  A left glove was found here,

     and the right glove was found at Rockingham, gloves

     identical to these two gloves which you see

     Mr. Simpson wearing.

                  And indeed, if these are not the murder

     gloves, he could have and should have brought those

     gloves to court.  And he didn't.

                  You have here a hat just like the hat

     Mr. Simpson has at his house, the one that was

     recovered from his bedroom by the police, just like

     that one.  In that hat, we had various hair and fiber

     evidence, which I will go over with you.

                  And, of course, we have the cuts from the

     left finger -- left fingers, dropping blood on the

     left side of the shoe prints.

                  So, you see, it's all here, ladies and

     gentlemen.

                  There are some fibers here -- there's

     some blue-black cotton fibers that were found on

     Mr. Goldman's shirt, matching fiber found on the sock

     in Mr. Simpson's bedroom, and another one on the glove

     at Rockingham:  The same blue-black cotton fiber

     which, we submit to you, is consistent with a

     blue-black cotton sweat suit, which we have proved to

     you that Mr. Simpson owned at the time.

            MR. BAKER:  I object.  There's been no

     testimony of blue-black anything.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  There has, Your Honor.

            THE COURT:  Overruled.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Mr. Simpson owned a sweat suit

     at the time.  I'll go over that with you in a bit.

      He tried to lie to you, to say he didn't have one,

     until we called in witnesses to impeach him.  And

     we'll go over that.

                  So, we have his gloves, his hat, the

     sweat suit, his shoes, his cuts, his blood, his hair,

     his fibers.  It's all here; it's all at Bundy.

                  Now, let me talk to you a little bit

     about the blood evidence, because it obviously is so

     crucial and it is so incriminating, and I just want to

     discuss it briefly.

                  I won't do it justice.  Mr. Lambert put

     on that evidence through our expert witnesses; and let

     me go over just a little bit with you.

                  The five blood drops that you have there

     that left a trail to the left of shoe prints, were

     tested by three different laboratories:  The

     Los Angeles Police Department's Scientific

     Investigation Division, the California Department of

     Justice, and the Cellmark Laboratory back east, where

     Dr. Robin Cotton works.  Gary Sims works for the

     Department of Justice.  And you heard from Collin

     Yamauchi, from the LAPD's lab, the SID lab.

                  All three labs tested these blood drops.

     And all three got the very same results; there's no

     differences in the results.  All three separate labs,

     acting independently, got the same results.  And all

     three labs found that these blood drops matched

     Mr. Simpson's DNA pattern.  Okay.

                  They tested these blood drops at 12

     different genetic markers:  The DQ Alpha location,

     D1S80, five polymarker locations, and five RFLP

     locations.  All -- at all 12 of these genetic markers

     or locations where the DNA was tested, the DNA pattern

     matched Mr. Simpson at all 12.

                  Now, this alone, ladies and gentlemen, is

     conclusive proof that that's his blood.

                  We'll bring out the frequency board in a

     minute.

                  But at a minimum -- at a minimum, now --

     only one out of a 170 million people in the world

     would have these DNA patterns.  And O.J. Simpson is

     one of them.

                  The defense in this case -- it's

     important you understand this -- they don't contest

     these results; they don't contest that these DNA test

     results matched Mr. Simpson's blood.

                  Do you remember when Mr. Lambert read to

     you something called Defendant's Responses to Request

     for Admissions?  I don't know if it was very exciting,

     but he sat here and read to you -- those were the

     defense's admissions to his -- those blood-test

     results.  And they're conclusive on this issue.

                  And they establish that those blood drops

     are Mr. Simpson's blood.  And you have to accept that.

     They don't contest it.

            MR. BAKER:  Your Honor, I object.  That's

     improper.  That isn't what we admitted to.

            THE COURT:  Overruled.  Overruled.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Understand something:  All the

     defense can say -- they can say is -- they haven't

     presented any evidence -- all they can say is that if

     you get around these test results, showing his blood

     is at -- the evidence, these blood drops had to have

     been planted or somehow contaminated.

                  And if you don't buy into any of that,

     and his blood's there, and he did it, unless they can

     prove to you how his blood got in those labs.

                  There hasn't been one, not one iota of

     evidence, ladies and gentlemen, that any of those

     blood drops were planted.

                  In the first place, as you'll remember

     from the police testimony and the criminalists, these

     blood drops were collected on the morning of June 13

     at Bundy, when Dennis Fung and Andrea Mazzola went out

     there.

                  Mr. Simpson didn't even give his blood to

     the Los Angeles Police Department until 3:30 in the

     afternoon that same day, after all the blood in this

     case was collected.

                  So they didn't have his blood to go to

     Bundy and start dropping blood drops.  They didn't

     have it.  He didn't give them his blood until 3:30.

     And these were all collected beforehand.

                  So they could not have been planted

     there.

                  And remember the testimony that the blood

     drops were fresh when they were found, that was given

     by Dennis Fung, it was still reddish in color?  And

     his testimony is unrefuted about that.

                  And, Mr. Simpson, of course, gave you no

     explanation how his blood could have gotten there

     innocently.  He had no innocent explanation for why

     his blood was at Bundy.

                  In fact, he had no innocent explanation

     for any of this evidence, nothing.  He had no innocent

     explanation for anything.

                    He tries to also say, ladies and

     gentlemen, that why the blood -- these test results

     showed my blood was because there was a contamination

     in the lab.

                        He tried to ask a lot of questions

     of witnesses about that.

                  First of all, as we proved from the

     experts, when blood is contaminated, it doesn't turn

     somebody's blood into O.J. Simpson's blood.  So just

     saying contamination didn't mean much; his blood just

     didn't show up because there's some contamination

     involved.

                  Moreover, you heard the evidence from

     Dr. Robin Cotton of Cellmark, Gary Sims of DOJ,

     Brad -- Dr. Brad Popovich.  There isn't any evidence

     of any contamination.  None.  They reviewed the work

     in this case.

                  Dr. Popovich reviewed all blood work in

     this case, and said there's no evidence of any

     contamination.  None.  The test results are reliable,

     they're accurate, and they're unaffected by

     contamination.  Those were his words.

                  And he came on the stand and he gave that

     testimony just last week.  And he reviewed all the

     work in this case, unaffected by contamination.

     There's no evidence of contamination in this case.

                  I'm going to talk to you a little bit

     later on about why we have these arguments of -- about

     conspiracy and planting and contamination.  And I'm

     going to show you how these arguments were born.

                  But let me just tell you something:

     There isn't any evidence to support any of this stuff.

                  Their expert, Dr. John Gerdes -- this was

     the guy they put on the witness stand -- he's the guy

     that represents mainly rapists and murderers if you

     recall.  He's the guy -- he testifies for them, I

     should say.  He's the guy who said -- tried to say

     there was some contamination, but finally had to

     concede that if there was contamination, it would have

     showed up on the substrate controls.

                  Throughout this whole process of

     collecting blood evidence, there were these control

     swatches taken every step of the way of collection and

     testing.

                  If there's any contamination, if

     Mr. Simpson's blood is somehow accidentally being put

     on the various blood swatches in this case, it would

     also show up on these control swatches.  And every

     single one of these control swatches, their expert had

     to admit in the end, was completely free of

     contamination.  Zero contamination on any control

     swatches.  And that's really the end of discussion

     about contamination.

                  If Mr. Simpson's blood is not on the

     control swatches, there's no contamination.

                  Blood stain 52, by the way, that one

     Robin -- Dr. Robin Cotton of Cellmark testified --

     that's the one right outside the back gate -- on that

     stain alone, she was able to obtain what she called a

     5-probe RFLP match, which means she tested the DNA at

     five different locations.  That's a very, very

     significant match under this RFLP test.  And in the

     entire population, the number of people who could have

     had this 5-probe RFLP match is somewhere between one

     out of every 170 million and one out of every 2.2

     billion.

                  And Mr. Simpson is such a person who has

     that 5-probe match.  That blood stain alone, number

     52, is sufficient to show Mr. Simpson is responsible

     for these murders.

                  He has no innocent explanation why his

     blood and his DNA were found at Bundy right after the

     murders.

                  Now, on the back gate -- you heard a lot

     of testimony about the blood on the back gate.  Gary

     Sims, from the Department of Justice, tested the

     back-gate blood, and he did a 9-probe RFLP match on

     that back-gate stain.  And he found that it matched

     Simpson's DNA pattern.

                  A 9-probe match -- I'll show you the

     frequencies.  And they're very, very high.

                  Again, their expert, Dr. Gerdes, admitted

     that that result could not be the result of

     contamination.  That 9-probe match could not have come

     about by contamination.  It's conclusive proof that

     Simpson's blood is on the back gate.

                  They don't really quarrel with that.

     What they say is, it was planted there.

                  Let me explain something about this

     back-gate planting argument, okay?

                  If blood evidence at Bundy was checked on

     the morning of June 13, and these three stains on the

     back gate were overlooked and they were not collected

     until July 3 -- the criminalists, Dennis Fung and

     Andrea Mazzola, did not go here and here and here to

     pick up stains; they just didn't do it.  However, we

     know they were -- they were not planted, because four

     or five police officers, who we brought in here to

     testify, said they saw blood on the back gate.  They

     saw blood, these blood stains on the back gate when

     they came to the crime scene, to either secure it or

     to investigate it.

                  In fact -- I know it's been a long trial

     and it's hard to remember all this -- but the very

     first officer on the scene, Robert Riske, one of the

     first witnesses in our case, he saw the blood on the

     back gate, and he wrote it down in his notes.

                  And it's right there in his notes, if you

     want to take a look at it.  And that's exhibit --

                  What's that, 833, Steve?

            MR. FOSTER:  Yes.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  833.  Okay.

                  You want to bring out the results board

     real fast?  And I'll move on to the hair and fiber

     evidence.

            MR. BAKER:  Your Honor, is this a good place

     for a break?

            THE COURT:  You want to take a break now?

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Let me get through the blood,

     and then before we go to the next topic --

            THE COURT:  Okay.



                         (Board entitled Results of DNA

                         Analysis, Bundy Crime Scene,

                         Exhibit 833, displayed.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  Again, these are the blood

     drops tested by the various labs.  (Indicating.)  It's

     five Bundy stains, and then it's three back-gate

     stains, and you'll see the labs, DOJ and Cellmark,

     that did the various tests, and the matches that they

     came up with.

                  This is Nicole (indicating).  This is a

     shoe print in Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

     (indicating).  This is why it comes up with Nicole

     Brown.  All the rest of them are O.J. Simpson.

                  No, the defense does not challenge these

     results.  They have had an expert who was around when

     some of this testing was done.  He didn't come in here

     and testify.

                  They don't contest any of these results;

     they agree with these results.

                  They have no evidence of contamination.

                  Dr. Popovich reviewed our experts' --

     reviewed all this, and testified -- said no

     contamination.

                  Dr. Henry Lee testified for the defense.

     He said he had no problems about DNA in this case.

                  And you'll see the frequencies up there.

     The defense did not challenge any of the frequencies,

     either, ladies and gentlemen.  They did not bring in a

     geneticist, population geneticist or statistician.

     The frequencies are undisputed.  And they show that

     this blood is all O.J. Simpson's blood.

                  This is a good place, Your Honor.

            THE COURT:  Okay.

                  Ten minutes, ladies and gentlemen.

                  Remember, during argument -- you cannot

     discuss this case until the Court gives the case to

     you, after instructions.

                  Don't talk about the argument among

     yourselves, or the evidence.



                        (Recess.)



                         (Jurors resume their respective

                         seats.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  We're trying to cool down a

     little here, Your Honor.

            THE COURT:  It's very warm.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Yeah, thank you.  Before the

     break I described to you the overwhelming blood

     evidence that incriminates Mr. Simpson.

                  I would now like to talk briefly about

     what we call hair and fiber evidence.

                  You will remember we put on the witness

     stand Douglas Deedrick from the FBI.  He's the chief

     of the hair and fibers unit.  He's an undisputed

     expert in hair and fiber analysis.

                  He testified that Mr. Simpson's defense

     experts examined these hair and fiber materials as

     well, and that he did not disagree with Mr. Deedrick's

     conclusions.

                  And remember, the defense did not call

     any expert witnesses to refute or disagree with what

     Mr. Deedrick said about these hair and fiber matches.

     So his testimony that there were matches is completely

     unrefuted.  Nobody disagrees with it.

                  Now, Agent Deedrick testified about the

     head hairs found in that cap up there, the blue cap.

     And he said that there were 12 head hairs found and

     they matched Mr. Simpson's head hair.  That alone is

     very incriminating.  Why is his head hair in that hat

     right next to the victim's bodies.

                  Nine of the head hairs -- actually there

     were twelve head hairs in all.  Nine of them were

     found actually inside the cap.  What that means is

     that those head hairs, according to Doug Deedrick,

     likely came right off of Mr. Simpson's head when the

     cap came off or when he was using the cap.  Call that

     a primary transfer.  The fact that those head hairs

     were inside the cap suggests that they didn't just

     blow in there from some other source.

                  The defense liked to talk about the fact

     that there was a blanket that was brought out from

     Nicole's house to use for the bodies.  Well, they

     never proved that that blanket had any head hairs of

     Mr. Simpson or any fibers or anything regarding

     Mr. Simpson.  And in fact, the testimony about that

     blanket, as you will recall from Officer Thompson, was

     that he examined it, it was clean and folded, and he

     got it from a -- I think a linen closet upstairs.

                  That blanket is really irrelevant.

                  The head hairs, Mr. Simpson's, nine of

     them, inside the hat.  That shows direct physical

     contact between Mr. Simpson and that cap.

                  Two -- yeah, two of these head hairs, by

     the way, were actually intertwined in the fabric of

     that cap, which shows that they had been there for

     some time.

                  You'll recall Mr. Deedrick's testimony;

     not something that could have just, again, blown in

     there, but they had been in there some time.

                  Two of Mr. Simpson's head hairs

     intertwined in the cap indicating that that cap was on

     his head.

                  We showed you pictures or a picture, I

     believe, when I cross-examined Mr. Simpson back in

     November, of a hat just like that hat, the knit cap,

     that was recovered from his bedroom by the police

     right after the murders.  So we know that Mr. Simpson

     had knit caps like that.

                  In addition, there was also a head hair

     matching Mr. Simpson's head hair on Ron Goldman's

     shirt.  On his shirt there was also a limb hair found,

     which Doug Deedrick found as a limb hair and as a

     Negroid limb hair.

                  These hairs on Ron Goldman's shirt,

     again, show that Mr. Simpson was in contact with Ron

     Goldman.  There isn't any innocent explanation, ladies

     and gentlemen, for Mr. Simpson's hair to be on Ron

     Goldman's shirt.

                  Mr. Simpson says he never met Ron

     Goldman.  Well, why is his hair on Ron Goldman's

     shirt?

                  A few words about the carpet fiber

     evidence.  You will recall there was testimony that

     there was a rare carpet fiber that was found on the

     Bundy knit cap and also on the glove found at

     Rockingham.  This carpet fiber was this medium mocha

     color which matched the same medium mocha color of the

     fibers in Mr. Simpson's Bronco, his 1994 Bronco.

                  There was testimony that this carpet

     fiber was produced by a company called Masland

     Industries, who had an exclusive contract with Ford

     beginning in May, 1993, that this particular type of

     medium mocha color was only used in three types of

     cars; one of which was a Ford Bronco.

                  Mr. Simpson's Ford Bronco was

     manufactured in October of 1993, further indicating

     that this rare carpet fiber came from his car.

                  And again, you have to think about it.

                  Now, you have carpet fibers from his

     Bronco on that hat, and on the gloves at Rockingham.

     Again, indicating that Mr. Simpson's car was in

     contact with that hat and in contact with the glove at

     Rockingham.  Again, putting Mr. Simpson and no one

     else right smack in the middle of all of this

     evidence.

                  And finally, on fibers; we have 24

     blue-black cotton fibers which Doug Deedrick said was

     a kind of unique fiber, a bluish coloration when he

     looked at it very close under a microscope.  And

     fibers of this type were found on Ron Goldman's shirt,

     again, on Mr. Simpson's socks, and in his bedroom, and

     on the glove dropped at Rockingham.

                  So you have matching blue-black fibers on

     three objects; Ron Goldman's shirt, the glove that was

     used in these murders found at Rockingham, and a pair

     of socks, Mr. Simpson's socks.

                  Again, Mr. Simpson and no one else is the

     common source between these three objects.  He's the

     messenger.  He's the one who had contact with all

     these things, ladies and gentlemen.

                  Nobody else.

                  Now, there was some testimony about a

     sweat suit.  I want to get into that right now.

                  And we suggest to you these blue-black

     cotton fibers came from a sweat suit or sweat outfit

     or sweat clothes that OJ Simpson was wearing on the

     night of these murders.

                  You will recall when I first examined Mr.

     Simpson on the witness stand, I asked him whether he

     owned any dark sweat clothing as of June 12, 1994, he

     said, no, he did not own a single piece of dark sweat

     clothing.  He gave that testimony on November 25.

                  I then showed him some photographs of him

     wearing dark sweat clothing taken on May 25, May 26,

     May 27, just a couple weeks before the murders, at his

     house in the course of his filming an exercise video

     for Playboy.

                  Can you put up the photo.

                         (Photograph displayed on Elmo.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  I showed these photos to

     Mr. Simpson, and some other photos, and I said, well,

     what about this sweat suit, didn't you have that as of

     June 12?  And he said I didn't keep it.  I got to wear

     those outfits and I returned them to the wardrobe

     person.  I didn't keep any of them, okay.

                  On December 4, couple of weeks later, we

     called the wardrobe person Leslie Gardner, put her on

     the stand, and she testified that Mr. Simpson did not

     in fact -- did not in fact return any clothing to her.

                  She testified how she acquired some sweat

     suit items, gave them to Mr. Simpson, he used them,

     and to her knowledge, they were never returned,

     certainly not to her.  And she did not know that they

     had been returned to anyone else.

                  Now, a week or so ago, Mr. Simpson

     returned to the witness stand under the friendly

     questioning of his lawyer, Mr. Baker.  And he said,

     you know, I've been thinking about this sweat suit

     thing, and I did keep a sweat suit top, but it was a

     cashmere top, okay.  And I didn't keep anything else.

     Did you keep any cotton outfits?  No, I did not, just

     this one cashmere top.

                  And he said cashmere, of course, because

     cotton fibers were found near there, and he would like

     you to believe that he didn't have any cotton fiber

     outfits.  He would like you to believe that he never

     had, as of June 12, 1994, in his possession, in his

     wardrobe, in his closet, any dark sweat suit made with

     any cotton fibers.

                  So we then -- despite this change in

     testimony now by him, we then called Ms. Gardner back,

     if you will recall, on -- on January 14.  And she

     testified that she did, in fact, order a cashmere

     sweat suit outfit for Mr. Simpson, but it was too

     small, it didn't fit, and she returned it.  She didn't

     leave it with him, she didn't give it to him, she

     returned it.

                  She then testified that the item that she

     did give to Mr. Simpson, and that he did wear, were

     cotton -- some cotton fleece items, okay, a black

     cotton fleece zip-up front sweater.

                  Can you put that up.



                         (Photograph of OJ Simpson wearing

                         a sweat outfit displayed on Elmo.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  She never got this back,

     ladies and gentlemen.  She never got this back.

                  This has cotton fibers.  I think she

     testified it's some kind of blend; some of the fibers

     are cotton, the others are polyester.

                  O.J. Simpson, she said, never returned

     that outfit to her.  Despite what Mr. Simpson said on

     the witness stand.

                  In addition, she said she gave

     Mr. Simpson this outfit, which was taken at the time

     of the video (indicating to photo in magazine), and

     then published in this magazine.  Again, a cotton

     fleece-type pants, okay.

                  Neither this cotton-type pants or that

     cotton top was ever returned to Ms. Gardner, or to

     anyone else associated with the production, to the

     best of her knowledge.

            MR. BAKER:  I object, Your Honor.  There's no

     evidence it wasn't returned to anyone else.

            THE COURT:  Overruled.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  So, ladies and gentlemen, you

     have to ask yourself, why is OJ Simpson so obviously

     lying about this sweat suit?  Why is he lying?  Why is

     he changing his story?

                  As we trap him, he changes again.  We

     trap him again, he changes it again.

                  Why is he lying?  Why is he saying -- a

     guy with all the clothing that he has, why is he

     saying I never had a dark sweat suit as of June 12?

                  Why would he say such a thing?

                  Because he wore a dark sweat suit on

     June 12 when he killed two people.  That's why he's

     saying such a thing.  That's why he's lying to you.

                  Let's go to the gloves.

                  You heard the testimony of the former

     executive of the Aris Isotoner Company, Richard Rubin.

     And he testified that the glove found at Bundy was a

     brown men's leather light extra large glove.  It had

     SKU number 70263.

            MR. BAKER:  Your Honor, I object.  There was no

     testimony from Richard Rubin about any numbers

     whatsoever.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Yes, there was, Your Honor.

            MR. BAKER:  No, there wasn't.

            THE COURT:  Okay.  Approach the bench.



                         (The following proceedings were

                         held at the bench with the

                         reporter:)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  This is the cite I have, Your

     Honor (indicating to document).

            MR. BAKER:  What page are you referring to?

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Look on page 82 -- 91,

     November 6, 1996.

                  Do you have it?

            MR. BAKER:  We'll get it.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Computer people are better at

     it than I am.

            MR. GELBLUM:  Page 81 to 82.  November 6.

            THE COURT:  Bring it up.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Bring up the computer.



                         (Mr. Gelblum complies.)



                         (Court reviews transcript.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  You have to page down, Your

     Honor.

            MR. BAKER:  Style number.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  It's right there.

            MR. BAKER:  It's the style number.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  You said there were no

     numbers, Mr. Baker.

            MR. BAKER:  No, no.  I knew there was a style

     number, not an individual number.  But you're going to

     try to tell this jury that that indicates that those

     gloves -- you're --

            MR. PETROCELLI:  I absolutely am telling them.

     That's absolutely what he testified.  It's unrebutted.

                  You want to see it?  It's page 93 to 94.



                         (Counsel and Court review

                         transcript on computer screen.)



            MR. BAKER:  94, Phil.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  It's on page 93 to 94.

                  Can I get on with my argument now,

     Your Honor?

            MR. BAKER:  Can you guys move it up to 93, 94.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  This is not helpful.

                  What's that?  What's that number just --

     there.  Go back to where it said the number.



                         (Indicating to computer screen.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  See.

            MR. BAKER:  That's a style number.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  70263, brown extra large.

            MR. BAKER:  I want a serial number.

            MR. GELBLUM:  That's in here.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  There's a cutter number, too,

     Your Honor.



                         (Mr. Gelblum adjusts screen.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  Cutter No. 359 the sequence

     is 9.  What exactly is the cutter number?

            MR. BAKER:  Wait.  Wait.  Back up.



                         (Indicating to computer screen.)



            MR. BAKER:  Okay.  Go ahead.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Can I get on with my argument?

                  Okay, thank you.

            THE COURT:  Overruled.



                         (The following proceedings were

                         held in open court in the presence

                         of the jury.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  As I was saying, Mr. Rubin,

     the glove expert, and the only glove expert called in

     the case -- by the way, they didn't call any glove

     expert -- said that the number on this glove, 70263,

     on this Bundy glove, it had a cutter number of 359 and

     a sequence control number of 9.  While I'm here, the

     glove that he examined that was found at Rockingham

     had the identical numbers.

                  And he said they are a pair.

                  And there is no doubt about it, and don't

     let yourselves be fooled by all these hokus-pokus

     photo games which the defense likes to play, trying to

     say this is a hole.  This is not a hole.  This is not

     what you see.  We'll get into that.

                  Okay.  But all that is designed to sort

     of confuse and distract you from the real evidence.

                  That's real simple.

                  Okay.  These are two matching gloves, and

     the only glove expert that has testified has said so;

     they have the same numbers, they're identical, they're

     a pair, the Bundy glove and the Rockingham glove.

                  And these numbers, by the way, that he

     testified about, he said on the stand they are

     stenciled on the inside of the glove.

                  This isn't something that he is just

     pulling out of air.  These are in the glove itself,

     these numbers.

                  Mr. Rubin explained that these particular

     kind of gloves were manufactured by Aris Isotoner and

     only sold exclusively to Bloomingdale's; a store where

     Mr. Simpson and Nicole Brown Simpson shopped during

     the times they were in and lived in New York City.

                  Only Bloomingdale's, you could get these

     gloves.

                  And furthermore, to show how rare these

     gloves are, there were only 200 to 240 of these gloves

     sold in the size and color in 1990 and 1991; only 200

     to 240 pairs of these gloves.

                  Mr. Simpson himself had to admit that,

     yes, Nicole did shop in Bloomingdale's, he shopped in

     Bloomingdale's.  But won't you know it, wouldn't you

     come to expect that when I said and, of course, Nicole

     would buy you gloves from time to time?  Absolutely

     not, she never bought me gloves.  That's the one thing

     she never bought, was a pair of those brown gloves.

                  And -- do you have that receipt, by the

     way, Exhibit 390 (indicating to Mr. Foster).



                         (Exhibit 390 displayed.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  We have a receipt here showing

     Nicole purchasing two pair of Aris leather light extra

     large gloves.  That's Exhibit 390.

                  Mr. Simpson said she never bought him

     gloves.

                  There's a receipt.  They sold for $55 a

     pair, 30 percent discount, that Nicole got when she

     bought them on December 18, 1990.

                  Now, Mr. Simpson wore this black glove --

     pair of black gloves, and a pair of brown gloves for

     about three and a half years after they were bought

     because we were able to see them in photographs.  This

     isn't a pair of gloves that he threw away after using

     them for the first time.

                  He wore them at football games when he

     worked there as an announcer, particularly in cold and

     inclement weather, when it was raining, and he's seen

     with an umbrella.

                  See him holding the microphone.

     Particularly -- the right glove had a lot of wear and

     tear to it, particularly in the palm area, it's a

     little more worn out than the left glove.

                  These were his gloves.  He's wearing

     them.

                  Can you show the pictures.



                         (Exhibit No. 642 is displayed.)



            MR. FOSTER:  Yes.

                  643.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  643.

            MR. FOSTER:  This is 660.

                         (Exhibits are displayed on Elmo)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  660.  This one was taken by

     the way, January 15, 1994.

                  Stay on that for a second.

                  Mr. Rubin, our glove expert, testified

     that this glove is an Aris leather light, extra large,

     identical in make and style to the glove at the murder

     scene, except this one's a black one, obviously.

     Nicole bought a black pair and a brown pair.

                  There's no -- by the way, there's no

     testimony that that isn't an Aris leather light.

     Mr. Simpson doesn't deny it.  Mr. Simpson put on no

     evidence that that isn't such a glove.

                  He can't deny it.  It's right there.

                  Well, he could deny it, I guess.

                  Now, show us 655.



                         (Exhibit 655 displayed.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  It's another one with the

     black gloves.

                  Show us 646.



                         (Exhibit 646 displayed.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  Now, here's the brown gloves.

                  And Mr. Rubin, the glove expert, was able

     to say it's identical in make and style to the glove

     at the murder scene.

                  You're looking at gloves that were used

     by -- when Mr. Simpson killed Ron Goldman and Nicole.

     You're looking at them on his hands, ladies and

     gentlemen.

                  And when I asked him if you're innocent,

     Mr. Simpson, tell me where those gloves are, where are

     they, bring them to court, show us, you know what he

     said.  I have no idea.  Quote, I have no idea.

                  No idea.

                  You're going to hear a little bit from

     Mr. Baker, I guess, about well, these gloves didn't

     fit him, they're not his gloves.  You know, he didn't

     have Mr. Simpson try them on here, but he did show you

     a video from the criminal case.

                  Our expert, Mr. Rubin, said that those

     gloves have shrunk.

                  In the first place, they were purchased

     back in 1990.  Mr. Simpson is trying them on in court

     four, five years later.

                  They shrunk from use in rain and exposure

     to the elements.

                  Mr. Rubin also pointed out, because he

     was there in court, that when those gloves were taken

     out to put on, they were all crumpled up, they had not

     been refurbished, which is what you would do when you

     put on a pair of gloves that's been sitting around for

     a long time, especially a pair that's been encrusted

     in blood.

                  I think you saw Mr. Rubin here on the

     stand, refurbishing the glove.

                  And also Mr. Rubin pointed out how there

     was a requirement in the criminal case that

     Mr. Simpson put on latex gloves underneath these

     gloves and that altered the fit.

                  Of course he wasn't wearing latex gloves

     on June 12.

                  And lastly, and you could tell, I don't

     have to tell you, you saw him try those gloves on, on

     that video, this wasn't a guy anxious to show anyone

     that those gloves fit.  He was grimacing and trying to

     get them on in front of the jury there.

                  It's like trying to put a pair of pants

     on a crying baby, or something, a pair of gloves on a

     crying baby.

                  He had his hands, fingers out, and wasn't

     making it real easy.

                  Those were his gloves, got them right

     there, they were not his gloves, he -- did he tell you

     where they are and he can't, he said, "I have no

     idea."

                  Okay, Steve.



                         (Mr. Foster removes photo from

                         Elmo.)



                  Let's talk about those Bruno Magli shoes.

                  Pretty interesting piece of evidence, I'd

     say.

                  Mr. Simpson can say all that he wants, or

     his lawyer will say quite a bit about contamination of

     blood, planting of blood, LAPD not doing their job,

     can't trust the blood evidence, got to throw it all

     out.

                  You're going to hear all that stuff,

     okay.

                  None of it is true.

                  The blood evidence is the single most

     incriminating evidence in the case.  It's his blood.

                  He was there.

                  He did it.

                  But I'll tell you one thing.  They can't

     make that argument, even that lame argument, they

     can't make about these shoe prints.

                  They can't argue that the shoe prints are

     planted.  They can't argue that the sole was planted.

     They have no argument about planting of shoe prints.

     They have no contamination argument about shoe prints.

                  This is one of the single most crucial

     pieces of evidence in this case.

                  And can you imagine that O.J. Simpson

     last week didn't say one word about it.  Not one word.

                  Heismann Trophy.  But no Bruno Magli.

                  These shoe prints were discovered

     immediately when the police arrived after midnight on

     June 13, and they were fresh and they were leading

     away from the crime scene.

                  It was obviously that it was the person

     taking the back gate to escape detection, to not go

     out the front so he wouldn't be seen.  And we'll talk

     about that a little more later on.

                  But when he got in his Bronco to speed

     away, he didn't ride in front of the murder scene, he

     drove the opposite direction and then turned to go

     back home again.

                  He did not want to be seen.

                  And he had to get home to save his alibi.

                  We put on the stand the testimony of FBI

     Special Agent William Bodziak.  He is one of the most

     renown experts anywhere on footwear images.  He's been

     with the FBI for 23 years.

                  And Mr. Medvene put on that testimony.

                  His opinion, ladies and gentlemen, that

     the killer wore Bruno Magli shoe print size 12, is

     totally unchallenged, totally undisputed.  The defense

     concedes that point.  Mr. Baker said it in his opening

     statement:  "We agree the killer wore size 12 Bruno

     Magli shoes."

                  There's not much talk about it.

                  The question is -- the only question is

     did Mr. Simpson have Bruno Magli shoes, size 12.

     That's really it.

                  And while I'm on this, let me say

     something else.

                  That's the photo taken by Harry Scull,

     ladies and gentlemen, and before Mr. Baker and

     O.J. Simpson and the rest of the defense team knew

     that 30 more photos were going to emerge, he stood up,

     told this jury, both Mr. Baker and Mr. Simpson, "We

     agree that the shoes in that photo are Bruno Magli

     shoes."

                  Agent Bodziak got on the stand, and he

     not only testified that that's a Bruno Magli Lorenzo

     unique Silga sole size 12, he testified so is that

     (indicating to photo).

                  They didn't challenge his testimony, they

     agreed with it, that is a Bruno Magli size 12 Lorenzo,

     and so is that.

            MR. BAKER:  Your Honor, I object.  There's been

     no testimony that the photo in the Scull photo, the

     photo (sic) in Scull photo is a size 12.

            THE COURT:  Overruled.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Their position, ladies and

     gentlemen, taken back at the beginning of this trial,

     before they knew there was going to be more photos

     that would come to light, was that this photo is a

     phony.  That's what Mr. Baker said, it's not real,

     it's doctored, and we will prove it.

                  So by his own reasoning, if that photo is

     real, O.J. Simpson is the killer.  The shoes are on

     his feet.  If that photo is real, O.J. Simpson is the

     killer.  That's it.  It's the end of the ball game.

     There's nothing more to talk about.

                  Not only that photo.  The 30 new

     photographs of him at that same game, if those photos

     are real, O.J. Simpson's the killer.  If those photos

     are real.

                  We had those negatives in court here.

                  Did you see the defense call an expert to

     talk about those 30 new photographs?  Did you see them

     try to challenge those 30 new photographs?  Did you

     hear anybody come on the witness stand for the defense

     and say those 30 photographs of him wearing those

     shoes are phonies too?

                  Did you get that testimony?

                  I didn't hear it.

                  It didn't happen.  There is no such

     testimony.

                  Bodziak testified that the shoes in the

     Flammer photographs are Bruno Magli shoes of the same

     characteristics of those shoes.  They're the same

     characteristics of those shoes.  It's the same pair of

     shoes.  It's either that, or he had two pair of Bruno

     Magli shoes, size 12, and put two different pairs on

     in the game.  They're not saying that though it's one

     pair.  And they did not call anybody to say that the

     30 photos are a fake.  Nobody.

                  They did call somebody to say that this

     photo was a fake, and we'll talk about that guy and

     what he said.  But you didn't hear him come back --

     not even him, you didn't hear that guy come back and

     talk about the Flammer photos.  Not even he could get

     himself on this stand and say, you know what, I think

     all 31 are fakes, every one's a fake.

                  And of course you all remember that one

     of the pictures Mr. Flammer took of Mr. Simpson

     wearing the shoes was actually published in the

     newspaper eight months before the murders.  So how

     could it be a fake?  It's not possible.

                  While I'm on the subject of the shoes,

     ask yourselves this:  If O.J. Simpson were innocent,

     ladies and gentlemen, why would he deny owning those

     shoes.  Why wouldn't he -- why didn't he say he owned

     them, of course I had those shoes, they're in the

     picture, here's 30 more pictures, of course I had

     those shoes, but I'm not the killer, I didn't do it.

                  Why is he going to take to his grave that

     he didn't own those shoes, that he didn't wear those

     shoes?  'Cause he knows those are the shoes he wore

     when he killed my client's son in a blind rage, and

     when he killed the mother of his children in a blind

     rage.  He knows he wore those shoes.

                  We'll never see those shoes.  We don't

     know what he did with them.  We don't know where he

     hid them, how he destroyed them.  We'll never see

     them, but they're on his feet and they are the murder

     shoes.

                  There's no doubt about that.

                  They can talk all they want about police

     conspiracies, LAPD frame-ups, all these wild ideas,

     and they will try to insult your intelligence by

     giving you crazy claims of frame-ups and conspiracies.

                  What are they going to do about this

     evidence?  This doesn't involve the Los Angeles Police

     Department.

                  What are they going to say?  Oh, because

     they were selling pictures.

                  So if the pictures are a fraud, why

     didn't they bring anybody in to say they were a fraud?

     Why didn't they bring somebody in on those Flammer

     photos?

                  Just because somebody sells something --

     everybody in this case has sold something.  You've

     heard Mr. Baker ask witness after witness about books

     and videos and television.

                  That's one of the unfortunate things

     about this case that's become such a big media thing.

                  The fact that somebody is a professional

     photographer -- two people who are professional

     photographers, that's how they made their money, would

     sell photographs, does that mean the photographs

     aren't real?  Of course not.  When they're published

     eight months before the murders, how can it be?  It's

     impossible.

                  Can you bring in the Bronco board.

                  While we're waiting for that board, the

     next significant place besides Bundy, to summarize

     Bundy:  We have O.J. Simpson basically in all the

     clothes he wore to kill, hat, gloves, sweatsuit,

     shoes, we'll talk about the socks, Nicole's blood and

     his blood splashed on them, got the whole thing.



                         (Large board entitled "Bronco

                         Evidence" is displayed.)



                  Why is there blood in O.J. Simpson's car?

     Think about that one.  Why is it there?  There is

     blood in O.J. Simpson's car the night of the murders.

     Why is there any blood?  Is there any blood in your

     car that night, my car?  Why is there blood in his car

     that night?

                  First of all, this car was not parked

     where it's parked almost every single time he parks

     it.  He parks this car on Ashford, not Rockingham,

     right where that mailbox is.  He gets out of his car,

     he walks up to Ashford, he jiggles the gates open, he

     goes inside the front door.  It's the shortest

     distance for him to park and go inside, and that's

     what he does all the time.  Especially if he were

     going out of town, he would never park in some strange

     place.

                  He told the police he normally parks on

     Rockingham.

                  We've had witnesses testify here that he

     normally parks on -- excuse me.

                  He told the police he normally parks on

     Ashford.

                  And we had other witnesses come in here

     and say the same thing.

                  Even his housekeeper, Gigi Guarin,

     testified he usually parks on Ashford.

                  And remember Dale St. John, his limousine

     driver, the guy who wasn't available on the night of

     June 12 and so he got Alan Park to sub for him.  Dale

     St. John said he picked up O.J. Simpson over 100

     times, over 100 times, and never saw that Bronco or

     Mr. Simpson's vehicles on Rockingham, they were on

     Ashford.

                  Remember the testimony of the neighbor,

     Charles Cale.  He testified that he had taken a walk

     that night from 9 o'clock -- excuse me -- 9:30, 9:45.

     He lives down the street on Rockingham.  He said he

     has a perfect view of Rockingham.  He never sees

     O.J. Simpson's car parked on Rockingham.  It's always

     parked on Ashford.

                  So why is it parked on Rockingham on this

     night?  On this night, the night of the murders, why

     is it parked on Rockingham, where it's never parked.

     Why does it have blood in it, which is -- usually an

     automobile doesn't have, when he came home, when he

     returned from the murders, rushing like hell, before

     that limousine driver left, because if that limousine

     driver left, there goes any alibi.  He had to get home

     before that limo driver left, catch that plane to go

     to the airport.

                  And that limo driver was on the Ashford

     driveway parked and looking in, wondering why nobody

     is home.

                  Mr. Simpson knew that, and he had to pull

     around the other way, park on Rockingham and get onto

     his property, and that's why the car's parked on

     Rockingham, and no other reason, ladies and gentlemen.

                    It's obvious.

                    Now, do you recall I asked Mr. Simpson

     about this parking on Rockingham and he had this

     convoluted explanation about his dog Chachi.

                  It's really easy to blame things on dogs.

     They can't testify.  You can blame things on people

     who are dead, as he has repeatedly.  They can't

     testify either.

                  And he said oh, I parked on Rockingham

     because, you know, I liked to watch the dog when I get

     out and then the gate closes and I run back in.  All

     this stuff about the dogs running out.

                  Well, the dog never runs out.  How many

     witnesses did I have to call to the stand to show that

     the dog never runs out, this old lame arthritic dog.

     Couldn't get that dog to move.  In fact, we showed you

     a photograph of the Ashford gate wide open, wide open,

     strange man taking pictures there, and the dog's not

     going anywhere, the dog's sitting there, and he ain't

     moving, okay.  That's Chachi.

                  Well, this is just something Mr. Simpson

     invented because he had to have an explanation why he

     parked on Rockingham.

                  Now, in terms of the blood in his car

     when the police arrived on the morning of the 13th, to

     go over to Mr. Simpson's house, you heard testimony

     from police detectives, they saw the blood in the car

     early on the morning of the 13th, including Lange

     talked about it and we had Donald Tippin talk about

     it, Daniel Gonzalez talked about it, Detective Astin,

     I think his name is, he talked about it.  They saw

     blood outside of the Bronco and inside the Bronco, by

     looking in with a flashlight, especially when it got a

     little lighter on the morning of June 13.

                  Now, let me explain something to you.

     That blood could not have been planted, right, because

     Mr. Simpson didn't give his blood to the police until

     2:30, 3 o'clock that afternoon -- actually it was

     3:30.

                  So how did the blood get in there?

                  It could not have been planted.  You

     understand it could not have been.  They didn't have

     any of his blood.

                  And I asked Mr. Simpson when he sat right

     here (indicating to witness stand), about that blood

     in that car and asked whether he bled in that car the

     night before, whether he would admit to that.  He said

     no, no, no, I did not bleed in that car, I did not

     bleed in that car.

                  He has no innocent explanation for the

     blood in that car.  None.  No innocent explanation for

     why there was blood in the car the next morning.

     Zero.

                  Now, you'll hear -- maybe they'll talk

     about it when Mr. Baker gets up, but Mr. Simpson has

     this story where he goes in to get his cell phone at

     the end of the night, at 11 o'clock, before he runs

     off to the airport.  He's now changed the story to say

     cell phone accessories, but we're going to talk about

     that later on.  Goes in to get his cell phone, okay,

     and he opens the door, limo's ready to take off, car's

     on Rockingham, goes in, and he said he reached in with

     his right hand to get the cell phone -- or whatever it

     was he said, windbreaker -- he never put his left hand

     in the car.

                  And I went through, very carefully, the

     movements in the Bronco.

                  When he went to get his things out, he

     didn't get in and close the door, which you wouldn't

     do to take something out; you go in -- open the door,

     you reach in.

                  You try to say he might have gotten in

     because it's a high car.  But basically, he said, I

     don't think I did.  And I certainly didn't close the

     door.  And I reached in with my right hand, and I

     didn't touch the knob where you pull the lights out,

     headlights.  I didn't touch the inside notch of the

     door handle; I didn't touch those places.

                  Okay.  So he has no explanation about how

     blood got right there, for example.  (Indicating.)

                  How do you get blood inside that notch?

                  How do you get blood in there if you're

     just reaching in and grabbing something or closing the

     door?

                  You'd never get your left hand in there

     unless you're in the car, door closed, and you're

     going to open the door to get out.  That's the only

     way blood can get in there.

                  That's his blood, ladies and gentlemen,

     right in that notch there, number 23.

                  That blood was in his car from when the

     police came on the 13th, and it was collected the next

     day.

                  Blood there, (indicating) right where the

     headlight knob is.

                  How do you get blood there?  Left hand,

     left finger maybe.  Left hand, left finger maybe.

                  I asked Mr. Simpson:  Suppose you had

     just -- suppose you had cuts on these fingers here.

     Could you have -- would your finger have made contact

     with this inside notch area?

                  And he had to say it would have.

                  And that is, of course, what happened

     when he came back from Bundy and he opened the door to

     get out.  He put blood here, (indicating) on his left

     finger -- he put blood there, (indicating) and he put

     blood there.  (Indicating.)

                  Now, item 31 on that -- on that board --

                  First of all, let me mention that the DNA

     analysis done on -- on the -- this blood here, 23,

     (indicating) that blood, I think that's --

                  Is that 24?

            MR. LAMBERT:  (Nods affirmatively.)

            MR. PETROCELLI:  And some of the other stains,

     DNA analysis, Gary Sims?

            MR. LAMBERT:  (Nods affirmatively.)

            MR. PETROCELLI:  That's O.J. Simpson's blood,

     again, not contested, not challenged.  That's his DNA;

     that's not someone else's blood; that's Simpson's

     blood right there (indicating) and right there

     (indicating), here, too, 34.  (Indicating.)

                  Number 31, is that -- that's

     Ron Goldman's blood, ladies and gentlemen.

                  DNA analysis of item 31, performed both

     by Collin Yamauchi of SID and Gary Sims, and both

     independently, confirmed that that blood, 31, is Ron

     Goldman's blood.

                  Now, how does Ron Goldman's blood get in

     O.J. Simpson's car?

                  Do you really need to ask it over and

     over again.

                  No contamination is responsible for that

     blood drop.  That was the testimony of Dr. Brad

     Popovich.  There's no possible explanation -- no

     innocent explanation.  The only explanation is that

     Mr. Simpson got Mr. Goldman's blood on him when he

     murdered him; and he got it on his car, and that's why

     it's there.

                  And finally, on this Bronco, item 33,

     this area right here on the floor, where the emergency

     brake is (indicating), that, ladies and gentlemen, is

     the blood of Nicole.  Again, DNA analysis confirms

     that.

                  No challenge by the defense.  They don't

     have any contrary evidence.

                  That is Nicole Brown's blood on

     O.J. Simpson's carpet in his car.

                  Mr. Bodziak testified that there were

     certain lines, an outer line and inner line, parallel

     lines, that make this stain area consistent with a

     shoe print, consistent with the Bruno Magli shoe

     print, Silga sole.  That was his testimony.

                  We know what happened.  We know that

     Mr. Simpson, with these shoes or shoes just like

     this --

                  For the record, I'm holding up what?

            MR. FOSTER:  395.



                         (Mr. Petrocelli displays Exhibit

                         395, Bruno Magli shoes, to the

                         jury.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  Exhibit 395, which is a sample

     of a Bruno Magli -- different color -- same color or

     different?  Different -- Silga sole, Lorenzo.

                  And Mr. Bodziak testified that the

     shoe -- shoe print in that car in Nicole's blood is

     consistent with this -- with these Bruno Magli shoes.

                  So, Mr. Simpson stepped in Nicole's

     blood, still on his shoes, stepped there and left

     that, left that stain.  (Indicating.)

                  Now, they can't claim, by the way, that

     this blood was planted, either; because on June 14,

     that whole piece of carpet, that entire piece of

     carpet was actually removed from the car, on the

     morning of June 14, by the criminalist.  And they

     wrapped it up tightly in paper and they put it in a

     freezer at SID, Serology.  And that's where it stayed.

                  There's been no evidence that anybody

     went -- ever went in there and took it out and did

     anything to it.

                    Zero evidence of that.

                    And then sometime later, it was taken

     out -- I think on September 1 -- and Greg Matheson

     clipped off some fibers that had the blood on it,

     right over here (indicating) -- In fact, that's his

     hand doing it, right here, clipping off the fibers

     from the -- from the blood.

                  They sent that blood out to be tested.

     They labeled those bloody fibers 293, the carpet

     itself being 33.  And DNA analysis confirmed that that

     blood on that carpet in O.J. Simpson's car was

     Nicole's blood.

                  Not even Dr. Gerdes said that that was

     contaminated.  No evidence of contamination.  So

     that's undisputed, ladies and gentlemen.  You have

     Nicole Brown's blood in O.J. Simpson's Bronco the

     night of the murders.

                  How did it get there?

                  No one is -- no innocent explanation.  He

     doesn't tell us; he doesn't have it.  He's guilty.

                  Finally, on the physical evidence, we go

     to Rockingham, Mr. Simpson's home.  And basically what

     we have at Rockingham, ladies and gentlemen -- we have

     a couple things.

                  We have blood on the outside the driveway

     area, leading up to the front door.

                  We have blood drops inside the front

     door, on the hardwood floor, there in the foyer.

                  We have some blood drops in Mr. Simpson's

     bathroom, right off his bedroom.

                  We have blood in the shower.

                  We have blood on the cable, from the back

     wall behind Kato Kaelin's room.

                  We have the glove at Rockingham, behind

     Kaelin's room.

                  And the glove I'll talk about separately.

     It is loaded with evidence, the glove.

                  And then we also have a pair of socks in

     Mr. Simpson's bedroom with some dried, splashed blood.

                  Donald Thompson testified, ladies and

     gentlemen -- that's that very large, 6-foot 6

     officer -- that he was there early in the morning at

     Rockingham, around 8 o'clock or so, and he saw these

     blood drops.  And he testified about them.  And bear

     in mind these blood drops could not have been planted,

     right?  They didn't have O.J. Simpson's blood; they

     couldn't have planted any of these blood drops.

     They had no blood to plant.  So they can't tell you

     that blood is planted.

                  So what's O.J. Simpson's blood doing

     dripped all over his driveway?

                  And why is it in his house?

                  And he had no explanation.  Zero.

                  No innocent explanation, I should say.

                  Could you put up the next one.



                         (Exhibit displayed on the Elmo

                         screen.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  Again with various DNA tests

     that were done by the various labs, all labs agree --

     in other words, you can't just say SID somehow comes

     up with all the wrong results, can't just blame it on

     the LAPD labs.  Separate, independent testing was done

     by Gary Sims and by Robin Cotton.  And they always,

     always, in this case, came up with the same results.

                  Okay.  That's very important.  Everybody

     had the same results.

                  All of these results, of all this blood

     evidence on the outside of the property and on the

     inside of the property of these various locations, all

     confirm to be O.J. Simpson's blood, his DNA.  His

     blood.

                  No defense experts came in here in court

     to tell you otherwise.

                  The defense has admitted that these blood

     results showed O.J. Simpson's blood.  They don't

     dispute that.

                  And again, how could it be that there's

     blood in his house the night of the murders?

                  Now, let's go to the Rockingham glove.

                  The testimony in this case was that at

     about 10:51 p.m., Kato Kaelin heard a loud crashing

     sound against his wall.  And you all know where his

     wall is; it's over here.  (Indicating.)

                  And we are able to fix that time now

     because of Allan Park's cell-phone records, which I'll

     talk about a little later on.  But we know that sound

     against the wall, which Mr. Kaelin thought sounded

     like someone hitting against the wall -- hoped it

     would be an earthquake, because he was, frankly,

     frightened if it wasn't an earthquake -- right where

     he heard those sounds, the next morning, when he told

     that to the police officers, a glove was found.

                  A glove.

                  And that glove, of course, was the glove

     that matched the Bundy glove, brown Aris leather, size

     extra large, number 70263, stitched right in cutter

     number 359, sequence control number 9, the glove

     expert Rubin said it matches exactly the glove found

     at Bundy.

                  And we know Mr. Simpson owns those

     gloves.

                  Can you put up the Rockingham glove

     board.



                         (Board entitled Rockingham Glove

                         Results displayed.)



            MR. PETROCELLI:  Now, this Rockingham glove,

     when it was taken into the lab and analyzed, as I

     said, it was chock full of evidence.  It had blood on

     it; it had hair on it; it had fiber on it.

                  This shows the blood that the glove had

     on it.  (Indicating.)

                  Three people -- all the blood in this

     case comes down to three people:  OJ Simpson,

     Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ronald Goldman.  No better

     example than this glove right here.  Ronald Goldman

     and Nicole Brown Simpson, OJ Simpson.  Blood mixtures.

     Some of them have individual stains, blood all over

     this right-handed glove which held the knife.

     And had blood sort of caked onto it.

                  And DNA analysis confirmed this is

     Simpson's blood, this is Nicole's blood, Ron's blood.

     No debate about that.  None whatsoever.

                  In addition to the blood on the glove, we

     also have head hair matching Nicole and Ron.  So we

     have strands of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood and blond

     hair, and traces of Ronald Goldman's dark hair on

     these gloves.

                  They may try to talk to you later on

     about planting a glove, which is completely

     preposterous.  And this --

                  Just ask Mr. Baker when he asks, in your

     mind -- when Mr. Baker tries to talk to you about

     planting of this glove, ask in your mind, did anybody

     ever see a second glove at Bundy?  Was there ever a

     second glove at Bundy to plant?

                  How can there be planting of a glove at

     Rockingham unless someone goes to Bundy and sees two

     gloves?  And, without knowing whose gloves they are,

     whether they fit Mr. Simpson, whether Mr. Simpson had

     an alibi -- whether he was in front of a thousand

     people, making a speech, or on national television, or

     on an airplane, or anywhere else -- without knowing

     any of that, going to pick it up and go plant it on

     his property?

                  Okay.  Well, that's just silly.  It's

     just silly.

                  Beyond being silly, no one saw a second

     glove at Bundy.  The first officers to arrive, these

     young patrolmen, not even detectives, Robert Riske

     Michael Terrazas -- and Mr. Medvene examined them --

     they looked around.  And then David Rossi came next.

     They never saw a second glove.

                  These people were surveying the crime

     scene while Mark Fuhrman was sleeping in bed.

                  There was no second glove there to plant.

     The second glove was where Mr. Simpson dropped it, at

     Rockingham.

                  And when he dropped it -- and it was

     absolutely dark, by the way, in that back alley, no

     lighting.  Kato Kaelin was too frightened, even, to

     walk down.  So when someone was back there that night,

     he couldn't see anything.

                  It had Nicole's hair and it had Ron's

     hair on it.

                  Who put that hair on it?

                  It also had some Negroid limb hair, as

     opposed to head hair.  And it also had blue-black

     cotton fibers that, we submit, are consistent with the

     sweat suit.  I've talked about that before.  It had

     the same fiber on this glove, that matched the fiber

     on the sock, that matched the fiber on Ron's shirt,

     meaning they were all contacted by one person, meaning

     OJ Simpson.

                    And if that were not enough, the glove

     also has those rare carpet fibers from Mr. Simpson's

     Bronco.

                  It's got everything on it, ladies and

     gentlemen.

                  It's a glove that belonged to Simpson.

                  It's a glove that he used to hold the

     knife in his right hand.

                  It's the glove that has the victims'

     blood on it.

                  It's the glove that has his blood on it.

                  It's a glove that has the victims' hair

     on it.

                  It's a glove that has fibers from his

     clothing on it.

                  It's a glove that has fibers from his

     car, when he dropped it -- he dropped it at his house.

                  And it could not have been planted and it

     was not planted.

                  And there's no evidence that that glove

     was anywhere else, other than the back of Rockingham,

     where it was found.

            THE COURT:  Mr. Petrocelli.

            MR. PETROCELLI:  Yes, Your Honor.

            THE COURT:  Okay.  Noon recess, ladies and

     gentlemen.

                  I remind you, don't talk about the

     argument in this case or the evidence or anything

     connected with this case until the case is finally

     given to you.

                  Okay.  See you at 1:30.



                         (At 11:55 a.m., a luncheon recess

                         was taken until 1:30 p.m. of the

                         same day.)





















     SANTA MONICA, CALIFORNIA; TUESDAY, JANUARY 21, 1997

                         1:40 PM

     DEPARTMENT NO. WEQ    HON. HIROSHI FUJISAKI, JUDGE



     APPEARANCES:

                  (Per Cover Page)

                  (REGINA D. CHAVEZ, OFFICIAL REPORTER)

                  Rufo versus Simpson



                         (The following proceedings were

                         held in open court outside the

                         presence of the jury.)



            THE COURT:  Counsel had a chance to look at the

     changes proposed by the defense verdict form?

            MR. BREWER:  Yes.  We would like to use the

     original verdict form that we submitted.  We think

     it's clear, concise, and basically, allows the jury to

     follow the instructions and the issues that we have.

                  Mr. Baker is -- he believes that it's

     inconsistent for the jury to find liability or not to

     find liability relative in a wrongful death case, and

     proceed on to the question that relates to battery.

                  In theory, I guess the jury would come

     back and say there isn't a wrongful death, find for

     the defense on wrongful death, but still go on to the

     battery, and have to answer those questions.

            MR. BAKER:  You mean the two separate causes of

     action.

            THE COURT:  It seems to me the proposal by the

     defense is much more logical than your argument.

            MR. BREWER:  Well, in a practical sense it is

     because, obviously, if they come back with defense on

     wrongful death, it's unlikely they'll find a battery.

                  There are, none the less, two causes of

     action; one for wrongful death, one for battery.  Our

     verdict form allows the jury to answer each of those

     questions separately.  That's the basis on which we

     would like the Court to use our verdict.

            THE COURT:  Tell me why the defense would not

     be entitled to a directed verdict if they came back

     with a no on question No. 1.

            MR. BREWER:  Well, you know, they possibly

     could be entitled to a directed verdict, but it would

     depend upon the factual determinations that the jury

     makes.

                  I mean, I agree with the Court that in

     the very practical sense if they find for the defense

     on wrongful death it is very unlikely they are going

     to proceed and find for the plaintiffs on battery.

                  However, there are two separate cases

     here in the sense that there's a wrongful death case

     on behalf of Mr. Goldman and Ms. Rufo, and there's a

     separate survivorship action on behalf of the estate

     of Ron Goldman.

                  Our verdict form just treats those

     separately.  That's all it asks the jury to do is

     analyze each of those separately.

                  If they find for defense on one,

     logically, they'll find for defense on the other.

            THE COURT:  Any other plaintiffs counsel want

     to comment before I rule?

            MR. GELBLUM:  No, Your Honor.

            THE COURT:  Okay.  I think question No. 1 is

     determinative of what the jury is going to proceed to

     your subsequent questions, it would appear to me the

     proposal of the defense is more logical and less

     likely to mislead the jury.

            MR. BREWER:  Okay.

            MR. GELBLUM:  I do.  I'm sorry.  I did have a

     thought in terms of --

            THE COURT:  You know, when I -- when I ask you

     to comment, I would like a commen